Re: Important PBS series in March
From: DuBose, Terry (DuboseTerryJ@uams.edu)
Thu Jan 31 15:49:09 2008
Actually, it is a quasi-private organization: "The United States Postal
Service (USPS) is an independent establishment of the executive branch of the
United States government (see 39 U.S.C. § 201) responsible for providing
postal service in the U.S. Within the United States"
Similar to Telstar and Comsat... very successful government-private
organization... Something like I imagine a Universal Health Care system
would be.
Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
Associate Professor & Director
Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, CHRP
4301 West Markham St. Mail Slot #563
Little Rock, Arkansas, 72205 USA
501-686-6510 or 501-686-5948
DuBoseTerryJ@UAMS.edu
http://www.uams.edu/chrp/sonography/
http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm
http://www.io.com/~dubose/
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From: ultrasound@obgyn.net [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:41 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
Subject: Re: Important PBS series in March
Terry: I do like debates and thanks for your comments. The postal
service is a private organization. Your fire protection,police and water
are run by your local government. The only system which was left out of
the original PSRO program and subsequent federal quality assurance
program is the VA. Joe C
DuBose, Terry wrote:
> "Lets keep it short, please. Can someone tell me ONE program that the
> government runs that works well? Lets not discuss "well" , you know what I
> mean. Joe C"
>
> OK, you have framed the debate so it will be very easy to offer one bad
> experience and try to discount my entire argument... but I'll bite... it
> won't be short. I don't do sound bites.
>
> I like the Veteran's Hospital system in spite of the bad PR they got last
> year at Walter Reed. Over all the entire VA system is good. Here is what
> one of my students wrote in her WebCT journal after her rotation through
the
> local VA (She is a senior and has spent approximately 3 months each at 8
> different clinics).
>
> "From what I've seen, it does seem like the dedicated vascular labs do
> investigate more than just the general labs that do vascular. At the VA
> vascular lab, they thoroughly check every patient, no matter how long it
> takes. At hospitals that are there for the money, they seem to want to get
> the patient in and out as fast as possible. This is just what I noticed; it
> might not be like this everywhere".
>
> And here is what was written in a small, rural news paper by a veteran with
> disabilities from Viet Nam.
>
> "The VAMC is a government hospital and provides excellent care. I have
urged
> that all medical facilities model themselves after the VA. I have been in
the
> VAMC in Fayetteville and in Little Rock (where I left some body parts) and
> have written they are the best hospitals I've been in for treatment. Every
> department, not just vascular, will keep you until they have thoroughly
> checked you and know it is safe to send you home. My only complaint, as
I've
> mentioned before, is that there is too much cinnamon in the chocolate chip
> cookies."
> See: http://www.nwanews.com/wrvn/Editorial/3080/
>
> I also like our interstate highway system. Remember the Minneapolis I35
> bridge that collapsed was under engineered by a corporate contractor.
>
> I like the US Postal service, our local government's fire fighting system,
> and our local water system.
>
> I also realize that there is much about corporations that I do like; I like
> my Dell PC, the compatibility of Microsoft Office, SAS, and my Honda. But
I
> don't like what some corporations have done in many instances... Vioxx,
> Fen-Phen, the Ford Pinto, Love Canal ... to name a few. I do not enjoy
> dealing with the IRS, but I prefer dealing with them once a year than the
> constant irritation of dealing with insurance corporations, it seems it
never
> ends.
>
> I could go on...
>
> Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
>
> Associate Professor & Director
> Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program
> University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, CHRP
> 4301 West Markham St. Mail Slot #563
> Little Rock, Arkansas, 72205 USA
> 501-686-6510 or 501-686-5948
> DuBoseTerryJ@UAMS.edu
> http://www.uams.edu/chrp/sonography/
> http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm
> http://www.io.com/~dubose/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ultrasound@obgyn.net [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> Cutchin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:05 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
> Subject: Re: Important PBS series in March
>
> Lets keep it short, please. Can someone tell me ONE program that the
> government runs that works well? Lets not discuss "well" , you know what
> I mean. Joe C
>
> Ellerd Family wrote:
>
>>I understand the social aspects of this...the problem becomes how to pay
>>for it. Even in Cuba "someone" has to pay for it. The idea of providing
>>everyone with healthcare is a global concern and wonderful on its
>>face...but then the reality sets in and the next question becomes...
>>
>>How do we fund it and keep our economy viable to help other countries
>>achieve the same?
>>
>>I did watch the preview, however, with documentaries I never take them
>>on face value. I watch and listen and then research on my own. In
>>general they always tend to be slanted towards what the maker wants you
>>to see. I prefer making informed judgments rather than have them fed to
>>me with a spoon. There are plenty of sources lauding the wonders of NHS
>>and plenty of others describing the horror stories and rationing of
>>healthcare. Which to believe? That is for you to decide on your own.
>>
>>Now that you mention life expectancy...are we asking the question of
>>whether it is due to our healthcare system or our sedentary lifestyle
>>and access to cheap, easy, fat/sugar laden sources of food? Is there a
>>McDonald's on every corner in Cuba? Do people have the same access to
>>technology in Cuba that Americans do? Do they sit on their tookus all
>>day and surf the internet and never exercise?
>>
>>I believe the statistics, what I am not sure of is whether the numbers
>>are the result of personal lifestyles or the failure of the healthcare
>>system. And if you fix one, have you really fixed the other? Will a tax
>>payer funded healthcare system teach our society anything about personal
>>responsibility in what we shove in our faces or how much we move? Will
>>it cure the epidemic of lack of personal responsibility for our own
>>health? We can point at big corporations all day long and say that they
>>provide us with cigarettes, alcohol, and cheap sustenance....but in the
>>end are they holding the fork/cigarette/drink for us? Will the tax payer
>>funded healthcare system cure this or will it just treat an
>>exponentially growing problem until it bankrupts us all?
>>
>>Interesting discussion by the way...discourse is always fascinating.
>>
>>Shelley
>>
>> From: DuBose, Terry <mailto:DuboseTerryJ@uams.edu>
>> To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>> <mailto:ultrasound@mail.obgyn.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:06 AM
>> Subject: RE: Important PBS series in March
>>
>> "Good hard numbers in this discussion would be helpful in
>> demonstrating the disparities of the systems, and at that point I
>> think it should
>>
>> be determined by the individual which they feel is more advantageous
>> or more broken."
>>
>> Here are the world rankings for "HEALTHY LIFE EXPECTANCY" The USA is
>> 24, below all other industrialized nations.
>>
>> http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthy_life_table2.html
>>
>> If you actually watched the preview for UnNatural Causes
>> documentaries, you heard the statistic that the USA pays nearly half
>> of all the health dollars paid by the entire world, yet we rank 30th
>> in life expectancy... below Cuba according to this.
>>
>> http://www.unnaturalcauses.org/disclaimer.html
>>
>> Why does one stat say we are 24th and the other 30th, different ways
>> of calculation, or different time periods? Either way, for the
>> money we spend, we are not getting much effectiveness when compared
>> to other nations.
>>
>> Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
>>
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