Re: Conjoined twins with different genders
From: Wolfgang Moroder, M.D. (wolfgang.moroder@tin.it)
Thu Oct 16 14:38:08 2003
Too bad I did not know it, David! We could have met in Paris to discuss
the case. I have awesome ultrasound images taken in the first trimester
which demonstrate monochorionicity by showing the single coelomic space
and the paired yolk sacs in a 8 shape. Best regards Wolfgang
At Thu, 16 Oct 2003, David Nyberg wrote:
>
>Wolfgang
>
>you should definitely get together with my wife, Viv Souter, who was the author of that paper in the NEJM. She is putting together a series of similar cases and also working on some related topics with twins.
>
>regards,
>
>David
>
>On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Wolfgang Moroder, M.D. wrote:
>
>> Art, the monochorionic pregnancy with discordant sex did NOT originate
>> from ART: that is it what distiguishes my case from the one described in
>> the NEJM. I know, I should write a letter to the journal.
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> At Thu, 16 Oct 2003, art fougner, md wrote:
>> >
>> >Wolfgang -
>> >
>> >is your case associated with Assisted Repro Technology or au naturel
>> >(sp)?
>> >
>> >art
>> >
>> >At Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Wolfgang Moroder, M.D. wrote:
>> >>
>> >>OK, let' s get more serious. I am working on a case of monochorionic
>> >>twins with discordant gender, discordant karyotype on fibroblast culture
>> >>and mixed blood (both karyotypes - XX,XY) in both's blood lymphocytes at
>> >>birth - that is the evidence of a common placental circulation, the
>> >>evidence that the twins were monochorionic, besides sonographic evidence
>> >>of monochorionicity by a first trimeste scan. Such a case has been
>> >>published by Souter in the NEJM : Volume 349:154-158 July 10, 2003
>> >>Number 2
>> >>http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/349/2/154
>> >>There must be an infinite range of variation in nature - just look in
>> >>the animal species. Ciao Wolfgang
>> >>
>> >>At Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Mireille Bonneau wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Ça, pour être grand, il est grand!!!!
>> >>>Un gage......
>> >>>
>> >>>Le 14/10/03 21:54, « Philippe Jeanty, MD, PhD » <jeanty@TheFetus.net> a
>> >>>écrit :
>> >>>
>> >>>> Grand cornichon :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: ultrasound@obgyn.net [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of
>> >>>> Philippe Coquel
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:22 PM
>> >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Conjoined twins with different genders
>> >>>>
>> >>>> sorry
>> >>>> I didn't know
>> >>>> To all recipients of list Ultrasound list: delete my message
>> >>>> :-)))))))))))))))))))
>> >>>
>
>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Philippe Jeanty, MD, PhD" <jeanty@TheFetus.net>
>> >>>> To: "Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND" <ultrasound@dns.obgyn.net>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:14 PM
>> >>>> Subject: RE: Conjoined twins with different genders
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Shuut it was supposed to become a case of the week !!!!!!!!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: ultrasound@obgyn.net [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of
>> >>>>> Philippe Coquel
>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:01 PM
>> >>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>> >>>>> Subject: Conjoined twins with different genders
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> During the Isuog meeting, somebody gave photographs of conjoined twins
>> >>>> with
>> >>>>> different genders to Ph Jeanty
>> >>>>> Philippe, could you send more informations about this case
>> >>>>> Ph
>> >>>>>
>
>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "art fougner, md" <evsono@pipeline.com>
>> >>>>> To: "Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND" <ultrasound@dns.obgyn.net>
>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:47 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Conjoined twins?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Conjoined Twins with different genders? Doubt it. Papers here are
>> >>>>>> talking about a set of pre-op conjoined twins from the Philippines -
>> >>>>>> cephalopagus as were the Egyptian twins.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> art
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> At Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Ann Polin wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Forgive me if there is something that I am missing, but does anyone
>> >>>> know
>> >>>>>>> anything about the Greek conjoined twins that were joined at the temple
>> >>>>>>> and just separated? According to the article on CNN (see the website
>> >>>> at:
>> >>>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/12/italy.twins.ap/index.html
>> >>>>>>> they were a boy and a girl.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Ann Polin, BS, RDMS
>> >>>>>>> Program Chair
>> >>>>>>> Diagnostic Ultrasound, R130D
>> >>>>>>> Bellevue Community College
>> >>>>>>> 3000 Landerholm Circle SE
>> >>>>>>> Bellevue, WA 98007-6484
>> >>>>>>> USA
>> >>>>>>> Telephone: +1 (425) 564-4181
>> >>>>>>> Fax: +1 (425) 564-4193
>> >>>>>>> Email: apolin@bcc.ctc.edu
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> art fougner, md
>> >>>>>> ich bin ein New Yorker
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>mirbonneau@wanadoo.fr S1 SCF 93 Neuilly-Plaisance
>> >>>secrétaire de l'AGEOL
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Wolfgang Moroder, MD
>> >>Prenatal Unit
>> >>Bolzano General Hospital Italy
>> >>
>> >--
>> >art fougner, md
>> >ich bin ein New Yorker
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Wolfgang Moroder, MD
>> Prenatal Unit
>> Bolzano General Hospital Italy
>>
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Wolfgang Moroder, MD
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