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Re: Episiotomy question From: westsidebirthservice@juno.com ("westsidebirthservice@juno.com") Mon Feb 18 08:15:01 2008 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: art fougner, md: "Re: Episiotomy question" Previous message: Kaycnm@aol.com: "Re: civility" No matter what, with a shoulder dystocia it's the same, I think, for many of us--as a colleague of mine used to say--"with a shoulder dystocia, only the washerwoman knew how I felt about it!" :) Louana -- Joe Cutchin <forcep@intercom.net> wrote: Wait until you have a posterior shoulder stuck with resultant Erb's in that shoulder and try to figure that out. So much for evidence! Joe C Dr. John Provatopoulos B.Sc. M.D.C.M. F.R.S.C. wrote: >>I don't know why you are telling me that - it is obvious that evidence based >>medicine is preferable. In the absence of evidence, you can only go by >>people's experience. There are so many variables when it comes to shoulder >>dystocia. Every case is different. I am not sure what you are trying to get at. >> >>Allan > > > Allan that's the smartest statement I have read in this thread, there > will never be a randomized controll trial and the best measures to take > for shoulder dystocia, so el it will always be eminence based whether > the pusher of the evedince based jargon ever wish to acknowloge it. > > -- > Take care, John > > > No matter what, with a shoulder dystocia it's the same, I think, for many of us--as a colleague of mine used to say--"with a shoulder dystocia, only the washerwoman knew how I felt about it!"  :) Louana -- Joe Cutchin <forcep@intercom.net> wrote: Wait until you have a posterior shoulder stuck with resultant Erb's in that shoulder and try to figure that out. So much for evidence! Joe C Dr. John Provatopoulos B.Sc. M.D.C.M. F.R.S.C. wrote: >>I don't know why you are telling me that - it is obvious that evidence  based >>medicine is preferable. In the absence of evidence, you can only go  by >>people's experience.  There are so many variables when it comes to  shoulder >>dystocia.  Every case is different.  I am not sure what you  are trying to get at. >> >>Allan > > > Allan that's the smartest statement I have read in this thread, there > will never be a randomized controll trial and the best measures to take > for shoulder dystocia, so el it will always be eminence based whether > the pusher of the evedince based jargon ever wish to acknowloge it. > > -- >                      Take care, John > > > Next message: art fougner, md: "Re: Episiotomy question" Previous message: Kaycnm@aol.com: "Re: civility"

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