Re: Hereditary angioedema OP fully and pushing.
From: FRANCES WREN (fwren@shaw.ca)
Fri Jan 4 12:13:21 2008
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If I cannot rotate with my hand I will use kjellands...I have done a scanzoni once years ago...I remember it was relatively easy...but it is so long ago...and must admit it scares me the thought of swinging these handles out towards the knees and round...I always visualise that I am swinging the head in a great huge circle rather that merely rotating it...
but it is nice to not change forceps at the end..though I have a colleague who always used kjellands for any forcep delivery!!!!!!!go figure.
tips and reminders please.re scanzoni method.
frances wren MD FRCS
>----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Chambers <cchamber@embarqmail.com>
Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: Hereditary angioedema OP fully and pushing.
To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
> For me, I'll use a vacuum for OA and low to outlet. However,
> anything
> else, I feel much more comfortable with forceps. I was trained
> and
> still feel comfortable using Keillands, however, I am more and
> more
> comfortable doing Scanzoni rotations. I like being able to
> complete
> the rotation and not having to change the forcep to complete
> the
> delivery.
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Raymond Stephen wrote:
>
> > I'm the only one here using them, but I have been able to show
> and
> > teach
> > a couple of the registrars who think it's pretty cool - selected
> > patients only of course!
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf
> Of
> > Garry
> > E. Siegel, M.D.
> > Sent: Friday, 4 January 2008 2:08 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Hereditary angioedema OP fully and pushing.
> >
> > In residency, those who used Kiellands to rotate were known as
> "Men of
> > Steel." I am proud to have been among them, and occasionally
> still use
> > them when proper and with informed consent.
> >
> > Garry
> >
> > At Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Dr. John Provatopoulos B.Sc.
> M.D.C.M. F.R.S.C.
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> At Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Raymond Stephen wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Stop asking questions and get the Kielland's out, rotate it and
> > deliver
> >>> it - should have been out two hours ago!
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> ________________________________
> >>
> >> Kielland's for OP, yeah you could do that, I prefer
> tucker
> >> macleans and
> >> scanzzoni. Happy New Year to you Steve.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Take care, John
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Garry E. Siegel, M.D.
> > Private Practice
> > Roswell, GA
> >
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<DIV>If I cannot rotate with my hand I will use kjellands...I have done a scanzoni once years ago...I remember it was relatively easy...but it is so long ago...and must admit it scares me the thought of swinging these handles out towards the knees and round...I always visualise that I am swinging the head in a great huge circle rather that merely rotating it...</DIV>
<DIV>but it is nice to not change forceps at the end..though I have a colleague who always used kjellands for any forcep delivery!!!!!!!go figure. </DIV>
<DIV>tips and reminders please.re scanzoni method.</DIV>
><DIV>frances wren MD FRCS<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Charlie Chambers <cchamber@embarqmail.com><BR>Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 10:49 pm<BR>Subject: Re: Hereditary angioedema OP fully and pushing.<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net><BR><BR>> For me, I'll use a vacuum for OA and low to outlet. However, <BR>> anything <BR>> else, I feel much more comfortable with forceps. I was trained <BR>> and <BR>> still feel comfortable using Keillands, however, I am more and <BR>> more <BR>> comfortable doing Scanzoni rotations. I like being able to <BR>> complete <BR>> the rotation and not having to change the forcep to complete <BR>> the <BR>> delivery.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Raymond Stephen wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > I'm the only one here using them, but I have been able to show <BR>> and <BR>> > teach<BR>> > a couple of the registrars who think it's pretty cool - selected<BR>> > patients only of course!<BR>> ><BR>> > Steve<BR>> &#
038;gt;<BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf <BR>> Of <BR>> > Garry<BR>> > E. Siegel, M.D.<BR>> > Sent: Friday, 4 January 2008 2:08 PM<BR>> > To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L<BR>> > Subject: Re: Fw: Hereditary angioedema OP fully and pushing.<BR>> ><BR>> > In residency, those who used Kiellands to rotate were known as <BR>> "Men of<BR>> > Steel." I am proud to have been among them, and occasionally <BR>> still use<BR>> > them when proper and with informed consent.<BR>> ><BR>> > Garry<BR>> ><BR>> > At Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Dr. John Provatopoulos B.Sc. <BR>> M.D.C.M. F.R.S.C.<BR>> > wrote:<BR>> >><BR>> >> At Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Raymond Stephen wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Stop asking questions and get the Kielland's out, rotate it and<BR&#
062;> > deliver<BR>> >>> it - should have been out two hours ago!<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Steve<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> ________________________________<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> ________________________________<BR>> >><BR>> >> Kielland's for OP, yeah you could do that, I prefer <BR>> tucker <BR>> >> macleans and<BR>> >> scanzzoni. Happy New Year to you Steve.<BR>> >><BR>> >> --<BR>> >>  &
#059; Take care, John<BR>> >><BR>> ><BR>> > --<BR>> > Garry E. Siegel, M.D.<BR>> > Private Practice<BR>> > Roswell, GA<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER<BR>> ><BR>> > The information in this transmission may be confidential <BR>> and/or <BR>> > protected by legal professional privilege, and is intended <BR>> only for <BR>> > the person or persons to whom it is addressed. If you are not <BR>> such <BR>> > a person, you are warned that any disclosure, copying or <BR>> > dissemination of the information is unauthorised. If you <BR>> have <BR>> > received the transmission in error, please immediately contact <BR>> this <BR>> > office by telephone, fax or email, to inform us of the error <BR>> and to <BR>> > enable arrangements to be made for the destruction of <BR>> the <BR>> > transmission, or its return at our cost. No
liability is <BR>> accepted <BR>> > for any unauthorised use of the information contained in <BR>> this <BR>> > transmission. If the transmission contains advice, the advice <BR>> is <BR>> > based on instructions in relation to, and is provided to <BR>> the <BR>> > addressee in connection with, the matter mentioned <BR>> above. <BR>> > Responsibility is not accepted for reliance upon it by any <BR>> other <BR>> > person or for any other purpose.<BR>> <BR>> ************************************************************************ =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B ****=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B=
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ber@alumni.rice.edu<BR>> <BR>> "Almost anything you do will seem insignificant but it is very <BR>> importantthat you do it....You must be the change you wish to <BR>> see in the world"<BR>> -- Mahatma Ghandi.<BR>> ************************************************************************ =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B *******=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=
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