Re: The "Natural" Way (Was Cord clamping/autotransfusion (was malpractice questionnaire))
From: R. Daniel Braun (rd.braun@gmail.com)
Fri Jun 29 15:35:36 2007
Oh, that really bugs you too!
I thought that I was the only one.
At our local Target grocery, they only have "Natural" "Organic" Chicken. I
want my chicken to have had antibiotics and hormones and I can't find it.
Dan
On 6/29/07, Dean Huffman . <dean@thehuffpeople.net> wrote:
>
> .
>
> I suppose there is something to be said for doing things the "natural way"
> (here, the "lotus birth"). But what too many people fail to take into
> consideration is that "natural" is not necessarily "good". "Death" is
> natural.
> "Gangrene" is "natural". A life span of 40 or 50 years is "natural".
> Losing all
> of ones teeth by the time they are 35 is "natural".
>
> Death (of both mother and baby) during childbirth is natural. Infection is
> natural.
>
> Being "natural" does not mean that it is good or desirable, or that they
> we
> should always strive for "natural". "Natural" needs to be put into
> context.
>
> - - - -
>
> From: fran wilson <530rose@msn.com>
> Subject: Cord clamping/autotransfusion (was malpractice questionnaire)
> Date: Jun 29, 2007 1:03 PM
>
> Have any of you heard of "lotus birth" which apparently involves never
> cutting
> the cord and just carrying around the placenta with the baby until it
> drops off
> by itself? A little much for me, but gaining popularity (along with
> "freebirthing") in some populations in Washington State.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Birth
>
> PEACE,
> Fran Wilson ARNP
> Certified Nurse Midwife
> http://www.wildrosemidwife.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------> From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------> Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
> Subject: Re: malpractice questionnaire
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:17:20 -0500
> We had a baby's death in this country following "new age" birth in these
> very
> conditions. The baby has been bled to death.
>
> Bernard
>
> Raymond Stephen wrote:
> >It doesn't seem possible for the baby to transfuse the placenta by
> >putting it above the placenta. There is active heart pumping and
> >venous return, and the pressures in arteries and veins are going to
> >stay much the same whichever is higher. If you leave the cord
> >unclamped for two minutes you will be surprised at how little blood
> >is left in the cord, and it seems physiological for the transfer
> >always to be from placenta to baby. After all placental arteries,
> >which lead to the baby, are pumping for a while after delivery.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of
> >Bernard Cristalli
> >Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2007 10:42 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
> >Subject: Re: malpractice questionnaire
> >
> >Right.
> >Don't milk the whole cord, only a bit, the portion you anyway empty
> >before cutting.
> >Just empty it toward the child.
> >Bernard
> >
> >R. Daniel Braun a écrit :
> >
> >>Just remember that this can put some premies into heart failure.
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On 6/28/07, *Bernard Cristalli* <bcrist@club-internet.fr
> >><mailto:bcrist@club-internet.fr>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Easy.
> >> You have to "milk" the cord toward the baby before cutting it.
> >> That's a most simple autotransfusion. Anyway, when you leave
> >>the
> >> baby on
> >> the mom's stomach above the placenta it's the child who
> >>transfuses his
> >> placenta.
> >> BC
> >>
> >> ljmidwife@aim.com <mailto:ljmidwife@aim.com> a écrit :
> >> > So the malpractice carrier is implying that you need to
> >>obtain cord
> >> > blood gases on every baby?
> >> > That means that the cord must be cut ASAP after the birth to
> >>obtain
> >> > the needed cord section.
> >> > How do they square this with the emerging research which
> >>recommends
> >> > delaying cord cutting for 2 minutes to allow blood in the
> >>cord and
> >> > placenta to be transferred to the baby's circulation to
> >>prevent
> >> > newborn anemia?
> >> >
> >> > It would seem they are requiring you to create a situation
> >>that
> >> could
> >> > be harmful to the baby.
> >> >
> >> > Linda Johnson,
> >> > CNM
> >> > www.mothersownbirth.com <http://www.mothersownbirth.com>
> >> > Temperance, MI
> >> > 1-866-920-8100
> >> >
> >> > "Not to know is bad. Not to want to know is worse.
> >> > Not to hope is unthinkable. Not to care is unforgivable."
> >> > --Nigerian saying
> >> >
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