Re: US health care system
From: art fougner, md (evsono@pipeline.com)
Sun Mar 11 08:31:43 2007
Bernard,
that sounds familiar.
Art
At Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Bernard Cristalli wrote:
>
>The WHO has rated french medical system as the best in the world in the
>past 2 or 3 years.
>Well, it wasn't that bad for the patients, but rather bad for the
>doctors. Very few doctors' children want to be doctors themselves, and
>this is a major sign.
>In public hospitals (except university ones) 3/4 of the positions are
>taken by foreign doctors, most of the times their diplomas wouldn't
>allow them to practice "in town" because there not good enough or not
>controlled.
>Let's not forget the WHO rates a basic level, not the best possible.
>Bernard
>
>Melissa a écrit :
>> What is the public (? Medicaid) system like? How much does private
>> insurance cost and does it fully cover the cost of hospitalization?
>>
>> In Oz, the public system is quite good (and free). Private insurance
>> (single) can cost around $AU800 - $1,600 pa. Then you pay an excess of $200
>> - $1000 her hospitalization.
>>
>> Melissa.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Dr
>> Eberhard Lisse
>> Sent: Sunday 11 March 2007 20:57
>> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
>> Subject: Re: Was Bilateral dermoids Now EL's view of US health care system
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> on 3/10/07 8:53 PM R. Daniel Braun said the following:
>>
>>>> Infant mortality, maternal mortality, teenage pregnancies are neither on
>>>> the top in absolute figures, nor in relative figures, taking expenditure
>>>> into account. Access to health care? Disposable income by Ob&Gyns?
>>>>
>>> Infant Mortality: Great measure of how well parents can take care of an
>>> infant once it goes home. Not worth a hoot at measuring quality of
>>> Medical care. BTW, when measured on a bitrht weight to birth weight
>>> basis, the US perinatal mortality is quite a bit better than anyone
>>> else's. The overall problem is the incidence of preterm delivery. This
>>> seems to be a socio-religious problem, since it seems to arise from
>>> teenage and otherwise unwanted prgnancies.
>>>
>> If I applied myself hard enough I could probably find a statistical
>> figure where Namibia shines. However, I stand by my statement. In
>> particular since I haven't found nowhere that only the affluent and
>> educated are allowed to have children.
>>
>> Never mind that I seem to have mentioned teenage pregnancies :-)-O
>>
>>> Maternal Mortality: I didn't know that 8/100,000 pregnancies was so
>>> bad. especially when all deaths of pregnant women and women who have
>>> been pregnant in the last year are included in that number.
>>> Teen age pregnancies are a social religious problem and have little if
>>> anything to do with medical care.
>>>
>> I didn't say it was so bad, *HE* said the US health (and implied the OB)
>> system was the best in the world. And that just ain't so. We have been
>> over the figures, before. 8/100000 is shocking, in fact.
>>
>>> Taking expenditure into account: you got me there. The amount of waste
>>> in our system is way up there. e.g.: Pre-eclamptic labs ( alll you need
>>> to R/O HELLP syndrome is a platelet count and you are going to get one
>>> anyway so that anesthesia will consent to putting in an epidural What do
>>> most folks get? Complete liver panel that's what.) Waste Waste
>>>
>> There you go
>>
>>> Access to Health Care: If you don't care about going bankrupt, you can
>>> get health care.
>>>
>> Actually that's true but irrelevant.
>>
>>> Disposable income by OB-GYN's: I don't know about anyone else, but I am
>>> comfortable and happy. Far from being rich, but comfortable.
>>>
>> Yes, sure, but why did you wrote the other day you left to become a CMT?
>> :-)-O
>>
>> greetings, el
>>
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art fougner, md
"May The Wings of Liberty Never Lose a Feather." - Jack Burton
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