Re: Gen: Newborn Circumcision - The Kindest Cut of All?
From: Ina May Gaskin (midwifeim@earthlink.net)
Thu Mar 1 18:09:57 2007
I keep my flying broom up high in my kitchen so the kids can't get
it. Don't you?
Ina May
On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Louana wrote:
> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I should just go ahead and admit it---I am a
> witch (along with all of my midwife colleagues).
> Louana
>
> At Thu, 01 Mar 2007, Joe Cutchin wrote:
>
>>
>> Louana: You've been here long enough to understand El? El is El ,
>> with
>> due respect. Joe C
>>
>> Louana wrote:
>>
>>> Really you guys--I'm not pulling this information from my butt--
>>> can't
>>> figure out why some are allowed to post information and others are
>>> called names.
>>> I will quote again the Doctors Without Borders article on this
>>> subject.
>>> This is not a fly-by-night organization but one well respected in
>>> the
>>> NGO field.
>>>
>>> "In the fight against AIDS, Uganda has often been presented as a
>>> model,
>>> not without ideological ulterior motive. The national prevalence
>>> has
>>> been reduced from 28% in 1988 to 6.4% in 2005, even if large
>>> regional
>>> disparities still persist. This success has been attributed by
>>> some to
>>> abstinence and fidelity, whereas the credit should rather go to
>>> increased use of condoms and the death of a large number of
>>> patients.
>>> The moralistic approach to prevention has concrete
>>> repercussions. Last
>>> year there was a period when Uganda ran out of comdoms. And between
>>> 2003 and 2005 the prevelance of AIDS in the country went back up
>>> from
>>> 5.6% to 6.4%." (MSF Messages, November 2006, Paris, France).
>>>
>>> There are other African countries with high HIV rates and the
>>> majority
>>> of the male population is circumcised at puberty. I think the
>>> type of
>>> discussions that have gone on in this forum regarding, for instance
>>> Guardsil, could well be done in this instance as well.
>>>
>>> I think I should allowed to speak and challenge the paradigm as
>>> well as
>>> anyone else in this forum without being called names.
>>> Louana
>>>
>>> At Thu, 01 Mar 2007, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>>>
>>>> As ususal she misses the boat. Flying around too much on the
>>>> borrmstick, probably. And selective reading.
>>>>
>>>> el
>>>>
>>>> on 3/1/07 3:28 AM Louana said the following:
>>>>
>>>>> Art,
>>>>> Look up this information on the Doctors Without Borders site--they
>>>>> have many long term HIV projects in Uganda and they have found two
>>>>> reasons for a decrease in HIV cases:
>>>>> 1. Death
>>>>> 2. Use of condoms
>>>>> They found that when condoms were not available for a period of
>>>>> time
>>>>> the HIV rates increased. They could not correlate behavioral
>>>>> practices, such as monogomy with a decrease in HIV cases.
>>>>> Condoms, condoms, condoms.
>>>>> Louana
>>>>>
>>>
>
