Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
From: Andrew Folley (agfolley@hotmail.com)
Thu Jan 4 11:08:05 2007
Does the definition include "feelingsympathy" for one's coronaries and
having "concern" as to whether others are going to sue you?????????????? In
that case count me in as one is who very compassionate! :) agf
>From: eramirezt@coqui.net (Efrain Ramirez)
>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:13:46 -0600
>
>I feel that way for my patients - I bet you too -
>
>Ef
>
>At Wed, 03 Jan 2007, Bernard Cristalli wrote:
> >
> >Full of compassion
> >"feeling or showing sympathy and/ or concern for others"
> >Bernard
> >
> >Efrain Ramirez a crit :
> >> What do you mean by compassionate?
> >>
> >> Ef
> >>
> >>> At Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Bernard Cristalli wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A midwife is way cheaper and supposed to be more compassionate.
> >>> Bad weather for the Obs.
> >>> Bernard
> >>>
> >>> Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Andrew,
> >>>>
> >>>> to be really honest: And Why Not? I could not care less how I get the
> >>>> baby out. It is the outcome that counts, not the way it is achieved
>or
> >>>> by whom.
> >>>>
> >>>> el
> >>>>
> >>>> on 1/3/07 7:18 PM Andrew Folley said the following:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Bernard, your challenge is somewhat inflammatory but I agree with
>you
> >>>>> 100%. The next generation of OB's will be those that allow the baby
>to
> >>>>> fall out spontaneosuly or they do a c-section and all twins breeches
>and
> >>>>> LGA infants are automatic c-sections. If this is what our speicalty
>has
> >>>>> come to we would be better served by mandating all pregnant women
>see
> >>>>> midwives only and have our surgical colleagues take an additional 3
> >>>>> months of training and do the c-sections. agf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
> >>>>>> Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
> >>>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:50:20 -0600
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To all those who stopped VBACs, vaginal breeches or twins...
> >>>>>> Quit obstetrics then, midwives can do exactly the same as you do
>(and
> >>>>>> sometimes better).
> >>>>>> That's what I told a journalist when he asked me what I felt the
> >>>>>> future of this profession will be. I answered: "disparition of
>normal
> >>>>>> VD".
> >>>>>> In the future there will be midwives for VDs (quite normal single,
> >>>>>> vertex pregnancies and deliveries) and surgeons for the rest.
> >>>>>> Bernard
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Exactly,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I tell them the same, and no more twins and no more breeches. I
>have had
> >>>>>>> one single patient that went shopping for VABC. Have seen her once
>on
> >>>>>>> the street since, she had a C/S anyway :-)-O
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> el
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> on 1/3/07 1:14 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I tell my patients from the start that I don't do VBAC's anymore
>- if
> >>>>>>>> they want a trial they can go to someone else - and I don't know
>if
> >>>>>>>> THAT
> >>>>>>>> is good enough - eventually, all will be decided at the Circus...
> may
> >>>>>>>> the best gladiator win..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ef
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> At Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ef,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't agree with the psychobabble blahblah, but a proforma
>consent
> >>>>>>>>> isn't worth the paper it is signed on. We all know it and still,
>some
> >>>>>>>>> continue to do it and then wonder why they get stung.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Men of Steel.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> el
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> on 1/3/07 12:51 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Oh---lawyers!!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> “ The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance, it
>is the
> >>>>>>>> illusion of knowledge.†Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
> >>>>>>>>
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> >> --
> >> The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance,
> >> it is the illusion of knowledge. Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
> >>
>
>--
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