Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
From: Andrew Folley (agfolley@hotmail.com)
Thu Jan 4 07:06:40 2007
Agree it does matter towomen and it does effect quality of medical care.
Fro instance heart tones bottom out to 60's and primip complete and +3/5.
You tell her to push like she has never pushed before. 5 minutes go by.
Nurse tells you every 30 seconds heart tones still down. Some will race her
down the hall and do a stressful "crash" c-section those trained in the
lost arts will ask for the "forbidden forceps" and deliver the baby 2
minutes later. Not as simple as you make it el and Richard. agf
>From: ajfields@pine-net.com (Jamie)
>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:48:03 -0600
>
>The process does matter to many of the women it's happening to, however.
>
>At Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Richard Chudacoff wrote:
> >
> >My sentiments, exactly.
> >
> >--
> >Richard Chudacoff, MD, FACOG
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Dr
>Eberhard Lisse
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:07 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
> >Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
> >
> >Andrew,
> >
> >to be really honest: And Why Not? I could not care less how I get the
> >baby out. It is the outcome that counts, not the way it is achieved or
> >by whom.
> >
> >el
> >
> >on 1/3/07 7:18 PM Andrew Folley said the following:
> >> Bernard, your challenge is somewhat inflammatory but I agree with you
> >> 100%. The next generation of OB's will be those that allow the baby to
> >> fall out spontaneosuly or they do a c-section and all twins breeches
>and
> >> LGA infants are automatic c-sections. If this is what our speicalty
>has
> >> come to we would be better served by mandating all pregnant women see
> >> midwives only and have our surgical colleagues take an additional 3
> >> months of training and do the c-sections. agf
> >>
> >>> From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
> >>> Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
> >>> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
> >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:50:20 -0600
> >>>
> >>> To all those who stopped VBACs, vaginal breeches or twins...
> >>> Quit obstetrics then, midwives can do exactly the same as you do (and
> >>> sometimes better).
> >>> That's what I told a journalist when he asked me what I felt the
> >>> future of this profession will be. I answered: "disparition of normal
> >>> VD".
> >>> In the future there will be midwives for VDs (quite normal single,
> >>> vertex pregnancies and deliveries) and surgeons for the rest.
> >>> Bernard
> >>>
> >>> Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
> >>>> Exactly,
> >>>>
> >>>> I tell them the same, and no more twins and no more breeches. I have
>had
> >>>> one single patient that went shopping for VABC. Have seen her once on
> >>>> the street since, she had a C/S anyway :-)-O
> >>>>
> >>>> el
> >>>>
> >>>> on 1/3/07 1:14 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I tell my patients from the start that I don't do VBAC's anymore -
>if
> >>>>> they want a trial they can go to someone else - and I don't know if
> >>>>> THAT
> >>>>> is good enough - eventually, all will be decided at the Circus...
>may
> >>>>> the best gladiator win..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ef
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> At Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ef,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't agree with the psychobabble blahblah, but a proforma
>consent
> >>>>>> isn't worth the paper it is signed on. We all know it and still,
>some
> >>>>>> continue to do it and then wonder why they get stung.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Men of Steel.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> el
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> on 1/3/07 12:51 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh---lawyers!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> “ The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance, it is
>the
> >>>>> illusion of knowledge.†Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
> >>>>>
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>
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>JFields, RN, BSN
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