Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
From: Andrew Folley (agfolley@hotmail.com)
Wed Jan 3 11:37:29 2007
All in favor of turning over all pregnant women in USA to midwives say "aye"
Lets focus on gynecology. agf
>From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:32:59 -0600
>
>A midwife is way cheaper and supposed to be more compassionate.
>Bad weather for the Obs.
>Bernard
>
>Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>Andrew,
>>
>>to be really honest: And Why Not? I could not care less how I get the
>>baby out. It is the outcome that counts, not the way it is achieved or
>>by whom.
>>
>>el
>>
>>on 1/3/07 7:18 PM Andrew Folley said the following:
>>
>>>Bernard, your challenge is somewhat inflammatory but I agree with you
>>>100%. The next generation of OB's will be those that allow the baby to
>>>fall out spontaneosuly or they do a c-section and all twins breeches and
>>>LGA infants are automatic c-sections. If this is what our speicalty has
>>>come to we would be better served by mandating all pregnant women see
>>>midwives only and have our surgical colleagues take an additional 3
>>>months of training and do the c-sections. agf
>>>
>>>>From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
>>>>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>>>>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
>>>>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:50:20 -0600
>>>>
>>>>To all those who stopped VBACs, vaginal breeches or twins...
>>>>Quit obstetrics then, midwives can do exactly the same as you do (and
>>>>sometimes better).
>>>>That's what I told a journalist when he asked me what I felt the
>>>>future of this profession will be. I answered: "disparition of normal
>>>>VD".
>>>>In the future there will be midwives for VDs (quite normal single,
>>>>vertex pregnancies and deliveries) and surgeons for the rest.
>>>>Bernard
>>>>
>>>>Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>Exactly,
>>>>>
>>>>>I tell them the same, and no more twins and no more breeches. I have
>>>>>had
>>>>>one single patient that went shopping for VABC. Have seen her once on
>>>>>the street since, she had a C/S anyway :-)-O
>>>>>
>>>>>el
>>>>>
>>>>>on 1/3/07 1:14 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I tell my patients from the start that I don't do VBAC's anymore - if
>>>>>>they want a trial they can go to someone else - and I don't know if
>>>>>>THAT
>>>>>>is good enough - eventually, all will be decided at the Circus... may
>>>>>>the best gladiator win..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ef,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't agree with the psychobabble blahblah, but a proforma consent
>>>>>>>isn't worth the paper it is signed on. We all know it and still, some
>>>>>>>continue to do it and then wonder why they get stung.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Men of Steel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>el
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>on 1/3/07 12:51 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Oh---lawyers!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>“ The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance, it is the
>>>>>>illusion of knowledge.†Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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