Re: Sad but true --->Call the question!
From: doctorjoe@aol.com
Thu Feb 16 13:00:43 2006
NOW you gave a straight answer. And it didn't take all that many words, did it? Nice.
Joe P.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie <ajfields@pine-net.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:57:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Sad but true --->Call the question!
I thought I had said upside down and sideways that it is reasonable for
a woman to specifically request a woman (or a man). It may not always
be possible, but it's reasonable.
At Thu, 16 Feb 2006, doctorjoe@aol.com wrote:
>
>So you are saying it is REASONABLE for a woman to specifically request a woman.
That's what you're saying. The more hypothetical scenarious you throw up, the
clearer it is that this is what your answer is.
>
>PEOPLE, it's OKAY to give a straight answer!!!! Hello!!!!
>
>Joe P.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jamie <Call the question!">ajfields@pine-net.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <Call the question!">ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:42:10 -0600
>Subject: Re: Sad but true --->Call the question!
>
>Not quite (though I have friends who would say so). Girls/women should
>not be forced to have exams by men. If circumstances force it, their
>feelings should not be treated as silly. We get enough messages that
>our intuition is faulty and should be ignored as it is. That should not
>happen in a medical setting. I recently participated in a poll of the
>women on a specific board (we have an obsession with birth in common,
>did not previously know of the others' histories). Every single woman
>has been violated in some way-some minor, others very major. Every
>single one of us ignored our intuition about our abusers, or if it
>happened in childhood, were told we were being silly and unfair. Most
>of us could have escaped or avoided abuse if our feelings had been taken
>seriously. Telling women that their feelings of discomfort about having
>a male GYN don't matter is one more experience that reinforces to them
>that they should ignore their feelings.
>
>It's not about the gender of the provider, it's about the woman's
>feelings about the gender of the provider.
>
>Would it be easier to answer specific situations?
>
>1) Long term patient of a male provider asks for a referral to a female
>provider for her teenage daughter because the daughter is embarrassed to
>be examined by a man. Is this wrong?
>
>2)woman presents to the ER with symptoms consistent with the
>obstetric/gynecologial emergency of your choice. Assume immediate care
>is necessary. She is assigned to a male doc. There is a qualified
>female doc in house. She requests a female doc.
>
>3)same scenario, but no qualified female doctor in house
>
>4)OB patient has prenatal care with a group of mixed gender OBs. She
>states at her 36 week prenatal that she insists on a female provider at
>birth
>
>5)OB patient from out of town presents in labor. She requests a female
>doc for delivery. There is a female doc in house.
>
>At Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Call the question!">doctorjoe@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> So you've now set up the argument that girls/women SHOULD NOT start having
>exams by men since that's a dangerous desensitization and may lead to serious
>problems in the future.
>>
>>Seems to me this gets to the heart of my calling the question.
>>
>>Why is it that no one will give a straight answer on this? LOL
>>
>>Joe P.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jamie <Call the question!">Call the question!">ajfields@pine-net.com>
>>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <Call the question!">Call the question!">ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>>Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:13:09 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Sad but true --->Call the question!
>>
>><SNIP>
>>
>>I am very concerned at the message that women and especially young girls
>>should just submit to examination by men, ignoring their instincts. Not
>>everyone will be bothered by having a male examiner (I really am not,
>>but I don't think anyone believes that at this point), but setting a
>>precedent of "just ignore your feelings" IMO increases the risk that
>>those girls will ignore their feelings in more dangerous situations.
>>Girls have enough problems feeling that they have a right to control
>>their own bodies without taking that away in a medical setting.
>
>--
>JFields, RN, BSN
>
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JFields, RN, BSN
