Re: Not really Kick Counts
From: Jamie (ajfields@pine-net.com)
Tue Dec 20 19:10:40 2005
That's a little different from the family of 5 trying to make it on
$1500/month deciding they need groceries instead of that $200/month
health coverage. Some employers choose coverage that is so expensive
the employees have a difficult time paying their part of the premium.
At Tue, 20 Dec 2005, ainsron wrote:
>
>Like you said, you get what you pay for. The parents of a friend of my
>youngest son were in a snow mobile accident and had to be hospitalized for a
>couple of weeks and had a couple of surgeries. They were lamenting that
>because of their medical expenses, they might have to sell one of their
>homes. This is a professional couple with good income who opted not to
>purchase health insurance and are not eligible for any governmental
>assistance. I told my son I didn't have much sympathy for their plight,
>anyone who can afford two homes can certainly afford health insurance. I
>certainly don't have two homes or snow mobiles to play with, but I've never
>felt I could afford not to have health insurance for myself or my employees.
>If you play Russian Roulette, occasionally you come up with the load in the
>chamber.
>
>Ronald E. Ainsworth, MD, FACOG
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Richard
>Chudacoff, MD
>Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:37 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>
>They are not denied healthcare, just can't afford to pay for it. There is a
>difference.
>
>As far as being one of the most advanced countries, we are. However, we are
>totally devoid of sympathy or empathy (at least on the national level.)
>
>Now is medical care a right or a privilege? If the former, then get a
>national healthcare system. If the latter, well, then you get what you pay
>for, or not as the case may be. But, everyone has a choice. They could move
>to Canada, and then the colposcopy would be paid for, through their high tax
>dollars.
>
>I hate the whining that comes with not being able to afford healthcare.
>These are the same people who drop into the ER, get great care, get lives
>saved, get babies delivered, and then expect me and my colleagues to eat the
>cost. Hey, it is my job, not my charity. I work to support my family.
>
>So, don't like it, change the system, or change to another country. Pro-bono
>went out the door when the CEO of United Healthcare took home $140
>million/yr
>
>Richard Chudacoff, MD, FACOG
>
> _____
>
>From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of fran
>wilson
>Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:19 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>
>I know several women right now with abnormal paps that can't get a colpo
>because they don't have money. Routine preventative care is not covered in
>the ER. Until it is too late. They may be able to afford my sliding scale
>pap smears but, unless they are really savvy, they have a hard time
>qualifying for intermediate care.
>
>And many folks don't have adequate health care for their diabetes, etc,
>because they are undocumented. And dental care - don't even get me started
>on that! Even with my good insurance, I plan to go to Mexico for some
>bridgework.
>
>McDonalds workers and 20 somethings without kids living just above the
>poverty line just put up with or self medicate for alot of symptoms before
>they get bad enough to go to the ER. And by then, the problem has grown to
>expensive and disabling.
>
>It is not because they are watching TV, it is because they went to the ER
>once and ended up with a bill for a couple thousand dollars, that went to
>collections because they could not pay, that has now caused them the grief
>of not being able to get a decent apartment, a car, and sometimes even a
>job. Many of our service workers in this country - that keep the prices
>down and the unpleasant tasks done - have no access to primary care. And
>many of us with insurance (the more well off) OR with medicaid or medicare
>keep voting against a national health care plan because we might have to pay
>more taxes. Well, let me clue you, those ER visits, bad debts, and
>disability payments for what could have been found and treated during
>preventative care are what will end up costing us more money in the long
>run.
>
>You are kidding yourselves if you think everyone can get health care in the
>US just by going to the ER, and expecting the ER to be someones primary care
>is saving a penny in preventative care in order to spend a dollar in
>treatment and disability.
>
>A country that purports to be one of the most advanced in the world (and
>tries to tell the world how to run their business) ought to be ashamed!
>Think of those people as your families join around the holiday tree - or
>whatever is your prefernce - and enjoy expensive gifts and bountiful food.
>The missions and, in many cases, the bridge underpasses are full of
>disenfranchised people who not only have no health care they also have no
>food or shelter.
>
>Warm Solstice Greetings!
>
>Fran Wilson, CNM
>
> _____
>
>From: doctorjoe@aol.com
>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:22:25 -0600
>
>Only anecdotes I know of are because the patient ELECTED to abstain from
>medical care. Other things are more important, like staying at home and
>watching TV, etc.
>
>Joe P.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Folley <agfolley@hotmail.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:16:17 -0600
>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>
>Does anyone know of any women in the US who has not recieved health care or
>does not have health care access available to her because of racial, age or
>financial reasons?
>
>>From: Dr Eberhard Lisse <el@lisse.NA>
>>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:16:08 -0600
>>
>>Zach,
>>
>>when you reach my age, you'll realize that I enjoy my posts :-)-O
>>
>>I was not posting to the US medical community but to one clueless
>>individual, though I do stand by the failures of society.
>>
>>In ! some countries the laws mandate health care for all, if only by the
>>year 2010, 2020, 2030...
>>
>>The reason why this is not the case is because lions do not eat hyenas,
>>hyenas share the spoils of lions' kills, thogh perhaps the lions don't
>>like it :-)-O
>>
>>Same to you.
>>
>>el
>>
>>Zachariah Newton wrote:
>> > Eberhard-
>> >
>> > You paint with a broader brush than Jackson Pollock, who threw paint
>> > from cans against a palette.
>> >
>> > In the US, the medical community does have some handle on the
>> > lowest-common-denominator style of the NHS, deplorable as it might be in
>
>> > operation.
>> >
>> > The laws in the U.S. mandate that accessibility to the health care
>> > system b! e open to all, regardless of ability to pay, via the emergency
>
>> > room door of access.
>> >
>> > Your energy might be better spent by giving us pictures of the lion
>> > catching a hyena, which is not the case with your prior message.
>> >
>> > In true joy, sincerely, Merry Christmas to you and your loving family.
>> >
>> > Zach
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JFields, RN, BSN
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