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Re: Not really Kick CountsFrom: ainsron (ainsron@sbcglobal.net)Tue Dec 20 15:55:30 2005
Like you said, you get what you pay for. The parents of a friend of my youngest son were in a snow mobile accident and had to be hospitalized for a couple of weeks and had a couple of surgeries. They were lamenting that because of their medical expenses, they might have to sell one of their homes. This is a professional couple with good income who opted not to purchase health insurance and are not eligible for any governmental assistance. I told my son I didn't have much sympathy for their plight, anyone who can afford two homes can certainly afford health insurance. I certainly don't have two homes or snow mobiles to play with, but I've never felt I could afford not to have health insurance for myself or my employees. If you play Russian Roulette, occasionally you come up with the load in the chamber. Ronald E. Ainsworth, MD, FACOG -----Original Message----- From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Richard Chudacoff, MD Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts They are not denied healthcare, just can't afford to pay for it. There is a difference. As far as being one of the most advanced countries, we are. However, we are totally devoid of sympathy or empathy (at least on the national level.) Now is medical care a right or a privilege? If the former, then get a national healthcare system. If the latter, well, then you get what you pay for, or not as the case may be. But, everyone has a choice. They could move to Canada, and then the colposcopy would be paid for, through their high tax dollars. I hate the whining that comes with not being able to afford healthcare. These are the same people who drop into the ER, get great care, get lives saved, get babies delivered, and then expect me and my colleagues to eat the cost. Hey, it is my job, not my charity. I work to support my family. So, don't like it, change the system, or change to another country. Pro-bono went out the door when the CEO of United Healthcare took home $140 million/yr Richard Chudacoff, MD, FACOG _____ From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of fran wilson Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts I know several women right now with abnormal paps that can't get a colpo because they don't have money. Routine preventative care is not covered in the ER. Until it is too late. They may be able to afford my sliding scale pap smears but, unless they are really savvy, they have a hard time qualifying for intermediate care. And many folks don't have adequate health care for their diabetes, etc, because they are undocumented. And dental care - don't even get me started on that! Even with my good insurance, I plan to go to Mexico for some bridgework. McDonalds workers and 20 somethings without kids living just above the poverty line just put up with or self medicate for alot of symptoms before they get bad enough to go to the ER. And by then, the problem has grown to expensive and disabling. It is not because they are watching TV, it is because they went to the ER once and ended up with a bill for a couple thousand dollars, that went to collections because they could not pay, that has now caused them the grief of not being able to get a decent apartment, a car, and sometimes even a job. Many of our service workers in this country - that keep the prices down and the unpleasant tasks done - have no access to primary care. And many of us with insurance (the more well off) OR with medicaid or medicare keep voting against a national health care plan because we might have to pay more taxes. Well, let me clue you, those ER visits, bad debts, and disability payments for what could have been found and treated during preventative care are what will end up costing us more money in the long run. You are kidding yourselves if you think everyone can get health care in the US just by going to the ER, and expecting the ER to be someones primary care is saving a penny in preventative care in order to spend a dollar in treatment and disability. A country that purports to be one of the most advanced in the world (and tries to tell the world how to run their business) ought to be ashamed! Think of those people as your families join around the holiday tree - or whatever is your prefernce - and enjoy expensive gifts and bountiful food. The missions and, in many cases, the bridge underpasses are full of disenfranchised people who not only have no health care they also have no food or shelter. Warm Solstice Greetings! Fran Wilson, CNM _____ From: doctorjoe@aol.com Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net> Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:22:25 -0600 Only anecdotes I know of are because the patient ELECTED to abstain from medical care. Other things are more important, like staying at home and watching TV, etc. Joe P. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Folley <agfolley@hotmail.com> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net> Sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:16:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts Does anyone know of any women in the US who has not recieved health care or does not have health care access available to her because of racial, age or financial reasons?
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