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Re: off topic postsFrom: Henry Gregor (henrygregor@yahoo.com)Wed Aug 31 23:43:33 2005
El, You're flaming (Others will probably note that more strongly than I) and as a fellow lister who enjoys your contributions to the list, I worry for you. Never was, never will be, a time in human history when any one's concern for the troubles of the world could ever remotely approach an adequate encompass of the morass of human misery that will always be out there. However IMHO it need not prevent any of us from mustering some concern and expression thereof in various individual situations. But your usually coldly on the spot factual observation slips a bit when you alledge a tsunami hits and no one gives a _____. Actually, from this corner of the globe a very significant medical ship operation provided a rather large contribution to relief efforts in that instance, and that is only a fraction of the effort that came was provided. In Dafur, thousands die and the world fails the situation on almost an equal opportunity basis...though the government I live under has indeed done more to move the obvious issue of genocidal violence to the top of the list of problems worthy of the UN, yet that organization steadfastly resists accepting that term and the obligations to do more that its own governing statutes obligates it to do. In the swamp of Balkan misery ineffectively approached by most other nations, to include your own,, it was our own Clinton (often inept in the eyes of many of his own countrymen) who is recognized by most folk around the globe as the man who actually got some effort going that actually contributed to putting something of a lid on the ethnic death going on there. Many were dying in Rwanda (perhaps I haven't spelled it properly either, but no need to consider either of us dyslexic in a response; I'm sure most listers will understand the intent of each of us) and I belivee the government of my fellow citizens supported relief efforts that many other nations got involved with and which unfortunately were inadequate to the malevolence of the situation. Somalia...there were no folk here in the US agitating to send Blackhawks in....most journalists, be they from US, UK, European, African or Asian journanls that I've seen writing in journals from multiple countries categorize the events in Somalia as a well intentioned relief effort gone sadly wrong. If you have the key to success for that and other areas of strife, please by all means, stop diverting your time to medicine and head for the halls of some UN or diplomatic venue. Any rational suggestions would probably be appreciated. Having read so many of your posts offering reasoned commentary of some topocs its very sad and disappointing to read your rant re monolithic militaristic viewpoints that you attribute to this country. Try googling a bit, and you can catch up on all the antiwar, antiadministration demostrations before and after the Iraq war....in case you missed it, a small number (oh, I don't know exactly...what - help me out here fellow listers - maybe ninety million or so) went out and voted for a candidate who made it clear he didn't support the effort as it had evolved. Are the huge numbers of US folk who openly oppose our government's policies simply chopped liver, unworthy of your acknowledgement...just so many non-persons to be consigned to be "disappeared" into some surreal gulag so acknowledgement of their existence doesn't impinge on your preferred prejudicial generalizations? I don't say any of this to be personal, so I hope you don't take this next observation in that vein. However, for someone who has so oft expressed your disdain for religion, your attitudes would fit perfectly with so many self-rightous, terminally prideful, intolerant religious bigots I have had the misfortune on intersecting with at various times and places on this planet. El, I think you're better than that. I believe your are an individual of good intentions, possibly a secular humanist, which I believe world sorely needs more of. Unfortunately while you might be driving around in a Mercedes/Lexus/Rolls Royce line of ideals, you're exercising a Chevrolet line of economic, social and political biases....definitely a shame to see you with intellectual blinders, finding simple villains on whom to blame complex situations. Perhaps it's best you stick with medicine. Cheers, Hank PS: It's been more than three folks who've had to evacuate New Orleans...but then, whether one talks numbers of the Armenian genocide or the mid 20th century European genocide, or the Cambodian horrors, or any number of other terrible occurences, there's not really a moral calculus, IMHO, that values any one group's suffering more or less than that of another.
> Hank And you are not getting it. Hundreds of thousands are dying in Ruanda, who gives a shit. 5 school children get shot in the UK, outpouring galore. Hundreds of thousands are dying in Ethopia, Eritrea, Mogadishu, nobody gives a shit. A pilot gets shot down with his Blackhawk, outpouring galore. Movies are made. Thousands of Iraquis are being killed every day nobody gives a shit, "Serves them right those ragheads". A US soldier breaks his fingernail, yellow ribbons all over the place. And to top it all, tsunami hits the Pacific, nobody gives a shit. Three people have to drive to their friends outside New Orleans, prayers are offered. Again, nothing personal, but this has irked me for years on a general level. While we are at it, interesting article in Der Spiegel today, about unnecessary surgery (in the US and elsewhere). But then who has languages? Among other issues, US doctors apparently earn twice what their Canadian colleagues earn. But then I haven't heard a Canadian colleague whine about their poor salaries. And this goes on and on and on. el
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