OB-GYN-L Messages for August, 2005: Re: caulophyllum thalictroides tablets+ IOL

Lenore,

I agree with Lynne. I use herbals and homeopathics and have never seen this with caulophyllum or any other "alternative" induction method other than castor oil. And I almost always see mec with castor oil, must have the same effect on the babe as it does on the mom. If they take a large dose (a couple oz in my experience, many people take 4 oz) it is a very dramatic experience, along the lines of methamphetamine or too much cytotec.

If you would like to know more about herbal medicine, the PDR puts out a PDR for herbal medicine. Unfortunately, there is no cohosh in the current one (black or blue). It relies on information obtained from studies in countries that embrace homeopathy such as Germany and Britain, and actually has quite a bit of information. I will check the previous one for black and blue Cohosh, caulophyllum (blue cohosh), and cimicifuega (black cohosh).

I would be very surprised to find that a homeopathic caused this much havoc. It could be due to the multiple treatment factor, but I would almost bet that she took at least a couple oz of castor oil.

Fran Wilson, CNM
Wild Rose Women's Clinic
Kennewick, WA 99336

From:  midwife@moment.net
Reply-To:  ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
To:  Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
Subject:  Re: caulophyllum thalictroides tablets+ IOL
Date:  Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:42:05 -0500
Lenora,

This scenario makes me VERY suspicious that she (also?) tried castor oil
without consulting anyone -- that's the only "natural" induction method
which I have seen (in 20 years of practice) lead to similar situations --
and I hate castor oil for this very reason! Once had to admit someone and
dose her with morphine for severe intestinal cramping after she
unilaterally decided to take castor oil....

Have often used homeopathic caulophyllum (blue cohosh) alternating with
homeopathic cimicifuga (black cohosh), in pellet form (I use only Boiron
products), to augment ineffective labor patterns, with what I'd term
slight to moderate success. Have NEVER seen either work to induce labor.

Nor have I ever seen such a drastic result with nipple stim., although I
have usually -- eventually -- been able, when necessary, to get women with
ripe cervices into labor with membrane stripping + nipple stim. + walking
+ more nipple stim. + more walking....

It drives me nuts when people do these things to themselves, and for no
good reason, it sounds like. Sorry you had such an unfortunate experience.

Lynne Loeffler, CNM, JD
Central Texas

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