Re: Catgut
From: Elrod Darryl G MAJ 48 MDOS/SGOBO (Darryl.elrod@LAKENHEATH.AF.MIL)
Tue Aug 9 01:59:12 2005
Hulka clips at c-section? I wonder why that was never taught before? It makes perfect sense. Do you think you have any more problems with placement because of the size of the tube at delivery?
Glen
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From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of ainsron
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Catgut
I do the same. However, I've quit using the Pomeroy technique for PPTLs and
TLs at the time of C/S. I now use the Hulka Clips, quick, simple and
bloodless.
Ronald E. Ainsworth, MD, FACOG
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Ramirez
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:59 AM
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Subject: Re: Catgut
I also use plain for Pomeroy's -- I don't Vicryl is a good choice for it
unless one is doing Parkland...
>At Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Charlie Chambers wrote:
>
>Yep, plain gut for Pomeroy's. Any modification has merely decreased the
>efficacy, such as other suture materials, cautery of the cut ends, etc.
>
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>On Aug 8, 2005, at 4:17 AM, Larry Glazerman wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that the original work by Pomeroy used the fact
>> that when catgut was used, the two ends of the tube didn't stay in
>> approximation for very long, therefore the risk of fistula was
>> decreased. I can't prove that, but that's why I remember always using
>> catgut for tubals
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry R. Glazerman, MD
>>
>> Ob-Gyn at Trexlertown, PC
>>
>> 610-402-0161
>>
>> l.glazerman@rcn.com
>>
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>> From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of
>> Bernard Cristalli
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:59 AM
>> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
>> Subject: Re: Catgut
>>
>>
>>
>> That's gambling.
>> What you want is temporary TL?
>> BC
>>
>> Elrod Darryl G MAJ 48 MDOS/SGOBO a écrit :
>>
>> I only use plain gut for postpartum or c-section tubal ligations. I
>> can't think of any place else it would benefit.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of
>> Henry Gregor
>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:38 PM
>> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
>> Subject: Catgut
>>
>>
>>
>> Good - very good - observations by Sam. Prompts the additional
>> question of is there a desirable time/place/procedure in any surgery
>> for which catgut would be a preferred suture? Probably not, I suspect
>> but all thoughts welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hank Gregor
>>
>> "Atkinson, Samuel M" <ATKINSONS@mail.ecu.edu> wrote:
>>> You will find the complete reference on the subject in the August
>>> issue of Obstetrics and Gynecology (The Green Journal on page 275.)
>>>
>>> Reference 6 is the article by Tulandi et al from Montreal published
>>> in 1988 in AJOG stated that there were more adhesions when the
>>> peritoneum was closed. In a recent publication letter to the editor
>>> they again referenced their article which, evidently very few
>>> people ever read. NO WONDER . They closed the peritoneum with PLAIN
>>> CATGUT-the most inflammatory suture one can use. To quote Michelle
>>> Duchinski in TeLinde "...disadvantages include intense inflammatory
>>> scarring ." "Catgut should not be routinely used in gynecologic
>>> surgery. Indeed there remains little indication for the use of catgut
>>> in any gynecologic surgical procedure." P 232, seventh edition. No
>>> wonder they found more adhesions in reperitonealized patients. Two
>>> horrible wrongs do not equal a right. At last, a level II data paper
>>> putting an end to this BS.
>>>
>>> I suspect our other subscriber who entered the bladder -when she
>>> looks up the previous OP note-will find that the peritoneum was not
>>> closed-thus the bladder was adherent to the ant abdominal wall and no
>>> way could one avoid a bladder entry.
>>>
>>> By using a monofilament, poly gycolic fine suture and not pulling the
>>> peritoneum up tight into a water tight seal, as many of us were
>>> taught in the dark ages, there will be significantly less adhesions
>>> than if one leaves the peritoneum open. Loosely approximate with non
>>> braided polyglycolic suture.
>>>
>>> Sam Atkinson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Julio Arellano
>>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:39 PM
>>> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
>>> Subject: New paper - Peritoneum closure
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues:
>>> A new outlook on parietal peritoneum closure in c-section:
>>>
>>> http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/251a56.htm
>>>
>>> I'd like to know your opinion on this matter (here, in my country,
>>> we still discuss about it).
>>>
>>> Julio C. Arellano
>>>
>>> La Plata. Buenos Aires.
>>> Argentina.
>>> arellano@netverk.com.ar
>>>
>>> "Good judgment comes from experience, and often experience comes
>>> from bad judgment."
>>> Rita Mae Brown
>>>
>>>
>>> <imstp_emo_es.gif>
>
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