Re: qualifications
From: Charlie Chambers (cchamber@gorge.net)
Tue May 31 20:51:51 2005
Well said Dr. J. The strawberries sound great but I'll go with Pacific
Northwest Salmon, and a glass of amber ale from the local brewery.
Vive' le difference (sp?)
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Charlie Chambers
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Hood River, OR USA
cchamber@alumni. rice. edu
"I'm a goin fishin.
Yeah, I'm goin fishin
And my baby's goin fishin too!"
Taj Mahal
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On May 31, 2005, at 6:21 PM, DoctorJoe@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/31/05 6:48:38 PM, jane.wines@telus.net writes:
>
>> Since when were the only proffessionals OB's?
>> 70% of women in the UK and higher in some other countries have
>> midwives and
>> never see Drs and the mortality and morbidity is lower than in the
>> US. OB's
>> should be saved for high risk and complications only.
>> Hoping to goodness that you are just winding everyone up and not for
>> real.
>
> Wait, wait, wait! We're drifting into apples and oranges yet again.
>
> 1) OB's are not the ONLY "professionals." Seems to me that anyone who
> does anything for money is a "professional." So from the "oldest
> profession" on, anyone performing some function for a living is a
> "professional."
>
> 1) (A) I believe the original question concerned doulas and it
> implied some doubt as to whether they were qualified in the debate on
> mode/choice/whatever of obstetric care. My information tells me that
> doulas are emotional/physical supporters of labor which, without more,
> does not qualify them to expertly opine regarding conduct of labor in
> a medical discussion (e.g. between OBs, midwives, MFMs). Doubtless
> doulas are "professional" if they accept money for their services.
>
> 2) Comparisons of maternal and perinatal mortality statistics is
> fraught with difficulty due to different populations, different
> population heterogeneity, different statistical methods from country
> to country, and the like. Suffice it to say that, utilizing the chart
> under discussion, we'd all feel safer saying that Singapore has much
> better midwife/OB care than the U.K, right? Of course not!
>
> 3) The philosophy of 'saving' physicians only for complicated cases
> is just that, a philosophy, and is based on numerous factors
> (tradition, availability, etc.) which differ from country to country
> and even within countries. The argument so far seems to be "My way is
> better because it is better! So there!" It's correct to say "My way is
> different because it's different."
>
> 4) Finally, El IS, in fact, for real. What most of "you people" (I
> LOVE that term! It's so politically incorrect!) miss is the fact that
> El steadfastly stands by HIS philosophy and refuses to be pushed
> around by emotionalism. If you show him facts, he will listen. I wager
> you won't be able to show him many appropriate facts, because of (3)
> and (2) above.
>
> Anyway, I'm tired of apples and oranges. We just got a flat of great
> Louisiana strawberries (MUCH better, by the way, than the California
> strawberries which show up on the grocery shelves down here) and I'm
> going to get some and have them with my Chardonnay (and yes, it's
> Australian Chardonnay, Mate).
>
> Cheers!
>
> Joe P.
>
