Re: pulling baby out by your hands????
From: Zachariah Newton (zbnewton@bellsouth.net)
Mon May 30 23:01:38 2005
Missie-
Please do not be put off by Joe P. He has a congenital proclivisity that has
created a monster pathologically attached to skeptic views of certifiable
crazies.
Given the insightful understanding of the clinical scenario that you so
colorfully descrcibed, I am confident that you have it within your the
capacity to forgive Joe P. Don't be surprised if you receive a gift of
Louisiana hot sauce as a token of your understanding.
The Irish say, "May the wind be at your back." That is a wish you can
always aspire to. I am sorry you have not enjoyed the glee of that
experience.
Z. B. Newton, III, M.D.
Flowery Branch, GA
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>----- Original Message -----
From: "Missie" <upholder_of_birth@yahoo.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L" <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:06 PM
Subject: pulling baby out by your hands????
>I recieved this in my email. I was wondering what you all thought. This
> isn't my birth story, but I am a doula and I find this appalling. This
> was reported as the doctor's first day, and going solo.
>
> Mom was induced. He reached 4 fingers inside and pulled her open. That
> had to hurt so bad. He told her he had to do it so she wouldn't tear.
> He was really pulling her. I could see baby's head (and all that hair!)
> way before crowning. The way he was doing it I was really afraid she
> would tear from him pulling so much. She did fine with it though. She
> pushed him right out. I was really surprised at the ease she delivered
> him. She had no problems pushing and he came out nice and slow and
> easy. Good kid. :)
> About 10 seconds after his head was delivered the dr said ok lets get
> him out. He grabbed his head and pulled and pulled. I wanted to hit
> him upside the head. I was just standing there wide eyed. I coulnd't
> beleive he was doing that. I could see that baby's hand was tucked up
> under his jaw. The dr pulled and pulled. The nurses were even looking
> at him funny. I really wish I would have just been bold and yelled stop
> pulling on that baby! She wasn't even having a contraction. When his
> shoulders came out mom tore upwards and into her labia. I don't know
> how many stitches she got though. It didn't look like a big tear, but
> he was down there longer than I expected. Ok so baby is out now and I
> assume the worst is over. What damage can he possibly do now? He is
> holding baby (hasn't picked him up and showed him to megan at all) He
> grabs his clamps and I said no she wants to wait until it stops pulsing.
> He touches it says oh its fine and clamps right away. The nurses
> stopped and looked at him cause he agreed he would wait. He picked up
> baby and want to hand him to the nurse. She said uh doesn't mom want to
> hold her baby? He said I don't know does she? and i said yes give her
> her baby. But he doesn't allow skin to skin. He has the nurse cover
> mom's stomach with a blanket and wrap up her baby. The next thing he
> does makes my stomach turn. Seriously I got a stomach ache. He grabbed
> the cord and started pulling. My mouth dropped and I'm just staring. He
> is pulling and tugging and nothing is working so he puts his entire hand
> inside megan, grabs her placenta and starts pulling on that. Every time
> he got a peice out he would cut it off and reach back inside for more.
> He finally told her to push and she said she couldn't yet. A bit more
> pulling and then he tells her again she has to push cause he isn't
> getting it out. So she does and it comes out just fine. I was so
> scared thinking that the whole time that she was going to hemorage.
>
> Is this a common practice? Many of us feel this is all sorts of
> dangerous to mom and baby. Do you have any info showing the damage that
> could be done. This mom and her doula wants to complain about being
> treated this way. They feel very lucky mom and baby are actually ok,
> without huge amounts of bleeding for mom or neurological damage for the
> baby..
>
> --
> Missie
>
> Douls/CBE
>
> Women can give birth by the action of their own bodies, as animals do.
> Women can enjoy the process of birth and add to their dignity by being
> educated to follow the example set by instinctive animals. Women can take
> joy and pleasure for the privilege of being women and bless God for being
> able to give birth, instead of showing snarling hostility toward the men
> who love them." page 20
> Husband Coached Childbirth, by Robert A Bradley, MD, copyright 1965, 1971,
> 1996
>
> We have created our own mythology of birth. The drama of this myth is in
> the medical emergency, the speeding ambulance, the urgent bleep, the
> staccato calls for assistance, the struggles of a team of doctors and
> nurses to combat death.It is a drama that feeds the fears inherent in the
> medical model of birth and, in this way, further conditions pregnant women
> to submit to its ritual.
> Pg. 63; Rediscovering Birth by Sheila Kitzinger
>
