Re: Responses: Does it matter how the baby is born?(long)
From: R. Daniel Braun (rd.braun@gmail.com)
Tue May 24 22:22:31 2005
Again, Well said Zach
Dan
On 5/24/05, Zachariah Newton <zbnewton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> The goal is good outcome. In OB, it can be achieved vaginally or by c/s.
> Just like stock traders who buy and sell by wiggles, the individual choice
> has but one measure: a healthy mom and a healthy baby or a profit vs a
> loss.
> The Monday morning quaterbacking are for those with an agenda.
>
> Zach (hey, gang)
> --
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert J. Carpenter, Jr. MD" <zygote@icsi.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L" <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Responses: Does it matter how the baby is born?(long)
>
> >I learned something from an ob who is as bright as anyone comes - 30+
> years
> >ago.
> > "My only duty is to get a good baby and a good mother - if is vaginally
> > that is fine and
> > if not that's okay too!"
> >
> > His name is James Friedman - and he is retired. I learned many other
> > things from
> > him after that night!
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On 23 May 2005 at 19:22, Joanne Bulley, MD wrote:
> >
> >> Well ... Good comments to this all around ...
> >>
> >> My experiences:
> >>
> >> First a vaginal birth after 3 nights of false labor (sleep an hour
> >> then go in to work - as a resident) ... 30 minute second stage (from
> >> -3 stantion to delivery) where they turn off the monitor sound (so I
> >> wouldn't hear the decels) and rolled me onto my left saide (also away
> >> from the monitor so I wouldn't see the decels) ... APGAR of 3&8 (I
> >> think - but she just graduated from Mt Holyoke College Sum Laude - so
> >> I guess I can't sue anyone). Couldn't nurse right away because of
> >> grunting and flaring - couldn't pee at all at first (but managed to
> >> after straight cath)
> >>
> >> Second - the kid was non stop somersaults from 34 weeks on. Labored
> >> ... pushed for over 2 hours - head was asynclitic overriding the
> >> symphysis -boy dod that hurt) - finally had the C/S - was nursing and
> >> bonding in the recovery area within 30 minutes of delivery - could pee
> >> right after the cath came out the next AM ... could SIT COMFORTABLY
> >> within 24 hours of birth and nurse the baby without feeling that
> >> bruised bottom. (he has ADD, depression, cyclothymia, an expressive
> >> language learning disorder and just flunked out of freshman year of
> >> college). (shoudl I sue?)
> >>
> >> I would go for EITHER an "easy" vaginal birth ... or C/S without
> >> labor but not the labor & push for 2 hours then C/S.
> >>
> >> The kids are loved either way - and unless you are totally psyched
> >> that the only thing that "makes you female" is having a vaginal birth
> >> ... both are births ... and having strep throat without antibiotics
> >> and having cataracts without surgery are alos "natural" ... "Natural"
> >> does not mean "healthy" or "best"!
> >>
> >> If those answering the questions are clients / patients at perinatal
> >> psyche centers - then they are obviously having issues with how they
> >> birthed -- but those issues can be evaluated and or counselled in a
> >> way that validates the thought that the woman involved SHOULD feel
> >> that her womanhood was ripped from her (and she can continue to be
> >> disabled by something that was just part of life - as my son does) --
> >> or she can be counselled about whatever loss she felt and assisted in
> >> understanding that it is not necessarily something to feel disabled
> >> by.
> >>
> >> But we are not going to change some minds and as others have said -
> >> most is out of our hands and folks have to campaign for the reforms
> >> etc if we are to be able to have some of the choices and to practice
> >> the "art" of obstetrics (before those of us that know some of the
> >> information and techniques for difficult - but possible vaginal
> >> births).
> >>
> >> Joanne
> >>
> >> At Sun, 22 May 2005, Stmidwife@aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Here are some responses, I from some of the people at the perinatal
> >> >pysch center in Santa Barbara, not sure which one, I posted to two
> >> >facilities. There were 3 responses as of yesterday.
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joanne Bulley, MD
> >> Keene, NH, USA
> >>
> >
> > Robert J. Carpenter, Jr. MD
> > 6624 Fannin, #2720
> > St. Luke's Medical Tower
> > Houston,TX 77030-2339
> > 713-795-4600
> >
>
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R. Daniel Braun
Kinky for Governor
