Re: Responses: Does it matter how the baby is born?(long)
From: Robert J. Carpenter, Jr. MD (zygote@icsi.net)
Mon May 23 22:22:39 2005
I learned something from an ob who is as bright as anyone comes - 30+ years ago.
"My only duty is to get a good baby and a good mother - if is vaginally that is fine and
if not that's okay too!"
His name is James Friedman - and he is retired. I learned many other things from
him after that night!
Bob
On 23 May 2005 at 19:22, Joanne Bulley, MD wrote:
> Well ... Good comments to this all around ...
>
> My experiences:
>
> First a vaginal birth after 3 nights of false labor (sleep an hour
> then go in to work - as a resident) ... 30 minute second stage (from
> -3 stantion to delivery) where they turn off the monitor sound (so I
> wouldn't hear the decels) and rolled me onto my left saide (also away
> from the monitor so I wouldn't see the decels) ... APGAR of 3&8 (I
> think - but she just graduated from Mt Holyoke College Sum Laude - so
> I guess I can't sue anyone). Couldn't nurse right away because of
> grunting and flaring - couldn't pee at all at first (but managed to
> after straight cath)
>
> Second - the kid was non stop somersaults from 34 weeks on. Labored
> ... pushed for over 2 hours - head was asynclitic overriding the
> symphysis -boy dod that hurt) - finally had the C/S - was nursing and
> bonding in the recovery area within 30 minutes of delivery - could pee
> right after the cath came out the next AM ... could SIT COMFORTABLY
> within 24 hours of birth and nurse the baby without feeling that
> bruised bottom. (he has ADD, depression, cyclothymia, an expressive
> language learning disorder and just flunked out of freshman year of
> college). (shoudl I sue?)
>
> I would go for EITHER an "easy" vaginal birth ... or C/S without
> labor but not the labor & push for 2 hours then C/S.
>
> The kids are loved either way - and unless you are totally psyched
> that the only thing that "makes you female" is having a vaginal birth
> ... both are births ... and having strep throat without antibiotics
> and having cataracts without surgery are alos "natural" ... "Natural"
> does not mean "healthy" or "best"!
>
> If those answering the questions are clients / patients at perinatal
> psyche centers - then they are obviously having issues with how they
> birthed -- but those issues can be evaluated and or counselled in a
> way that validates the thought that the woman involved SHOULD feel
> that her womanhood was ripped from her (and she can continue to be
> disabled by something that was just part of life - as my son does) --
> or she can be counselled about whatever loss she felt and assisted in
> understanding that it is not necessarily something to feel disabled
> by.
>
> But we are not going to change some minds and as others have said -
> most is out of our hands and folks have to campaign for the reforms
> etc if we are to be able to have some of the choices and to practice
> the "art" of obstetrics (before those of us that know some of the
> information and techniques for difficult - but possible vaginal
> births).
>
> Joanne
>
> At Sun, 22 May 2005, Stmidwife@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >Here are some responses, I from some of the people at the perinatal
> >pysch center in Santa Barbara, not sure which one, I posted to two
> >facilities. There were 3 responses as of yesterday.
> >
>
> --
> Joanne Bulley, MD
> Keene, NH, USA
>
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Robert J. Carpenter, Jr. MD
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