Re: Bonding
From: Efrain Ramirez (eramirezt@coqui.net)
Sat May 7 15:48:53 2005
A great number of comments - IMHO - it boils down to that it does matter
what
you say - but it sure does matter a lot where and how you say it.... I
don't know if I said right...
>At Thu, 5 May 2005, R. Daniel Braun wrote:
>
>Ye, EL, the point is not that we want the Mother to do anything except
>raise her kid well. The point is that if what she wants is what you
>described here, that is very abnormal(Not politically incorrect) and
>may well be a sign of problems to come.
>
>Dan
>
>On 5/5/05, Anna Meenan, MD <annam@uic.edu> wrote:
>> No, I didn't miss your point, el. I am well aware of how some folks
>> feel about the political correctness of bonding (and I'm not going to
>> debate that here), and ordinarily I want for the mother what she wants
>> for herself, but when what the mother wants is to barely look at her
>> baby and then order it away, i worry. A lot. The fact that she's
>> bringing up 3 others that look just like it is irrelevant, unless all
>> three are stable, productive adults. If they are still small children,
>> I'm still worried.
>>
>> Anna Meenan, MD
>>
>> At Thu, 05 May 2005, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan, Anna,
>> >
>> >Actually both of you totally miss the point. Or rather make the point.
>> >
>> >This is Politically Correct rubbish, actually. It doesn't matter what we
>> >want the mother to want, but what the mother wants.
>> >
>> >And, I am not concerned at all, she brought three up that look just like
>> >this one, and she'll bring this one up too :-)-O And she had her Tubular
>> >Ligation this morning as planned.
>> >
>> >greetings, el
>> >
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>> >In message <259b461f0505050703104bf647@mail.gmail.com>, "R. Daniel Braun" write
>> >s:
>> >> You beat me to it.
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >> On 5/5/05, Anna Meenan, MD <annam@uic.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > And are you concerned at all about her interaction with this baby and
>> >> > with her other children? Not all the moms I deliver want the baby on
>> >> > their chest to nurse right away, but in general, they do want to hold
>> >> > the baby and get to know it, after their bottom end is stitched up,
>> >> > cleaned up, and covered up, and we have put the labor bed back together.
>> >> > I would be very concerned about a mom who took one look at the baby and
>> >> > ordered it sent to the nursery. I have only seen that a couple of
>> >> > times, and both moms were having problems with severe depression.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anna Meenan, MD
>> >> >
>> >> > At Thu, 05 May 2005, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >I yesterday had what we translate from German as a "Key Experience".
>> >> > >
>> >> > >I delivered a G4P3M0. Vaginally, within one hour from tip of finger and
>> >> > >after one push. No problem.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >So, when we put the baby on the mother's chest, to bond and nurse and
>> >> > >all this other politically correct stuff, the mother takes one look and
>> >> > >says: "She looks just like the other ones. You can take her to the
>> >> > >nursery now."
>> >> > >
>> >> > >:-)-O
>> >> > >
>> >> > >el
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> R. Daniel Braun
>> >> Kinky for Governor
>> >>
>>
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>R. Daniel Braun
> Kinky for Governor
>
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