OB-GYN-L Messages for May, 2005: Re: Bonding

Re: Bonding - covalent, polar

From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse

el@lisse.NA

Fri May 6 02:13:56 2005

you don't really know much German, do you? And what you do is second hand? :-)-O

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> So El, You're not concerned, and She (the Mom) doesn't seem to be con
> cerned, so
> -- how is this a "key experience"? Can You help us with this translation?
> Is it a "labor" grading "key" (arbeitsbewertungs-schlussel) and She gets
> an A+ for speed and efficiency? Or are You having an out-of-body spiritual
> cultural revelation based on comprehension of ultimate responsibility
> unfetterred by the need for demonstrable adherence to any presupposed and
> oft-anticipated social behavior? A mutual negation of co-dependence and
> its sequelae (isn't it ionic). You know, like rejection of the symbolic
> order to attain polarization of societal norms to confirm orientation.
> Like Zizek, hyperreality, and the sublime? Please clarify - what is this
> "key"? tj
>
> (concrete, or defensive - wonder, which will it be...)
> times like these, we're missing more than 'points'
> We're missin' You, Zach
>
> annam@uic.edu (Anna Meenan, MD)
> Sent by: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
> 05/05/2005 04:33 PM
> Please respond to ob-gyn-l
>
> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Bonding
>
> No, I didn't miss your point, el. I am well aware of how some folks
> feel about the political correctness of bonding (and I'm not going to
> debate that here), and ordinarily I want for the mother what she wants
> for herself, but when what the mother wants is to barely look at her
> baby and then order it away, i worry. A lot. The fact that she's
> bringing up 3 others that look just like it is irrelevant, unless all
> three are stable, productive adults. If they are still small children,
> I'm still worried.
>
> Anna Meenan, MD
>
> At Thu, 05 May 2005, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> >
> >Dan, Anna,
> >
> >Actually both of you totally miss the point. Or rather make the point.
> >
> >This is Politically Correct rubbish, actually. It doesn't matter what we
> >want the mother to want, but what the mother wants.
> >
> >And, I am not concerned at all, she brought three up that look just like
> >this one, and she'll bring this one up too :-)-O And she had her Tubular
> >Ligation this morning as planned.
> >
> >greetings, el
> >
> >--
> >Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Managing Member, NA-NiC (cc)
> >dns-admin@na-nic.com.NA /* | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
> >PO Box 1342 \ / Please do NOT send e-mail to el@lisse.NA
> >Swakopmund Namibia ;____/ if it is in ANY way DNS/NA-NiC related
> >
> >In message <259b461f0505050703104bf647@mail.gmail.com>, "R. Daniel Braun"
> write
> >s:
> >> You beat me to it.
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On 5/5/05, Anna Meenan, MD <annam@uic.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> > And are you concerned at all about her interaction with this baby and
> >> > with her other children? Not all the moms I deliver want the baby on
> >> > their chest to nurse right away, but in general, they do want to hold
> >> > the baby and get to know it, after their bottom end is stitched up,
> >> > cleaned up, and covered up, and we have put the labor bed back
> together.
> >> > I would be very concerned about a mom who took one look at the baby
> and
> >> > ordered it sent to the nursery. I have only seen that a couple of
> >> > times, and both moms were having problems with severe depression.
> >> >
> >> > Anna Meenan, MD
> >> >
> >> > At Thu, 05 May 2005, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >I yesterday had what we translate from German as a "Key Experience".
> >> > >
> >> > >I delivered a G4P3M0. Vaginally, within one hour from tip of finger
> and
> >> > >after one push. No problem.
> >> > >
> >> > >So, when we put the baby on the mother's chest, to bond and nurse
> and
> >> > >all this other politically correct stuff, the mother takes one look
> and
> >> > >says: "She looks just like the other ones. You can take her to the
> >> > >nursery now."
> >> > >
> >> > >:-)-O
> >> > >
> >> > >el
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> R. Daniel Braun
> >> Kinky for Governor
> >>
>
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>         So El,
> You're not concerned, and She (the Mom) doesn't seem to be concerned, so -- h
> ow is this a "key experience"? Can You help us with this translatio
> n? Is it a "labor" grading "key" (arbeitsbewertungs-schlu
> ssel) and She gets an A+ for speed and efficiency? Or are You having an out-o
> f-body spiritual cultural revelation based on comprehension of ultimate respo
> nsibility unfetterred by the need for demonstrable adherence to any presuppos
> ed and oft-anticipated social behavior? A mutual negation of co-dependence an
> d its sequelae (isn't it ionic). You know, like rejection of the symbolic ord
> er to attain polarization of societal norms to confirm orientation. Like Zize
> k, hyperreality, and the sublime? Please clarify - what is this "key&quo
> t;?  tj          
> 
>         (concrete, or
> defensive - wonder, which will it be...) 
>         times like the
> se, we're missing more than 'points'
>         We're missin'
> You, Zach
>         
> 
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> Sent by: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
> 05/05/2005 04:33 PM
> Please respond to ob-gyn-l
> 
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>         To:   &nb
> sp;    Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.
> net>
>         cc:   &nb
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> ;      Re: Bonding</table>
> 
> No, I didn't miss your point, el.  I
> am well aware of how some folks 
> feel about the political correctness of bonding (and I'm not going to 
> debate that here), and ordinarily I want for the mother what she wants 
> for herself, but when what the mother wants is to barely look at her 
> baby and then order it away, i worry.  A lot.  The fact that she's<
> br>
> bringing up 3 others that look just like it is irrelevant, unless all 
> three are stable, productive adults.  If they are still small children,<
> br>
> I'm still worried. 
> 
>                      
>               Anna Meenan, MD 
> 
> At Thu, 05 May 2005, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: 
> > 
> >Dan, Anna, 
> > 
> >Actually both of you totally miss the point. Or rather make the point.<br
> >
> > 
> >This is Politically Correct rubbish, actually. It doesn't matter what we<
> br>
> >want the mother to want, but what the mother wants. 
> > 
> >And, I am not concerned at all, she brought three up that look just like<
> br>
> >this one, and she'll bring this one up too :-)-O And she had her Tubular<
> br>
> >Ligation this morning as planned. 
> > 
> >greetings, el 
> > 
> >-- 
> >Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse   \        /    
>       Managing Member, NA-NiC (cc) 
> >dns-admin@na-nic.com.NA /*      |      Tele
> phone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) 
> >PO Box 1342              \   &nbs
> p; / Please do NOT send e-mail to el@lisse.NA 
> >Swakopmund Namibia       ;____/    if it is in A
> NY way DNS/NA-NiC related 
> > 
> >In message <259b461f0505050703104bf647@mail.gmail.com>, "R. Da
> niel Braun" write 
> >s: 
> >> You beat me to it. 
> >> Dan 
> >> 
> >> On 5/5/05, Anna Meenan, MD <annam@uic.edu> wrote: 
> > 
> >> > And are you concerned at all about her interaction with this ba
> by and 
> >> > with her other children? Not all the moms I deliver want the ba
> by on 
> >> > their chest to nurse right away, but in general, they do want t
> o hold 
> >> > the baby and get to know it, after their bottom end is stitched
> up, 
> >> > cleaned up, and covered up, and we have put the labor bed back
> together. 
> >> > I would be very concerned about a mom who took one look at the
> baby and 
> >> > ordered it sent to the nursery.  I have only seen that a c
> ouple of 
> >> > times, and both moms were having problems with severe depressio
> n. 
> >> > 
> >> >                  
>                    Anna Mee
> nan, MD 
> >> > 
> >> > At Thu, 05 May 2005, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: 
> >> > > 
> >> > >I yesterday had what we translate from German as a "Ke
> y Experience". 
> >> > > 
> >> > >I delivered a G4P3M0. Vaginally, within one hour from tip o
> f finger and 
> >> > >after one push. No problem. 
> >> > > 
> >> > >So, when we put the baby on the mother's chest, to bond and
> nurse and 
> >> > >all this other politically correct stuff, the mother takes
> one look and 
> >> > >says: "She looks just like the other ones. You can tak
> e her to the 
> >> > >nursery now." 
> >> > > 
> >> > >:-)-O 
> >> > > 
> >> > >el 
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> R. Daniel Braun 
> >>        Kinky for Governor 
> >> 
> 
> 
> 
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