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Re: (Naturopathic Care) Hormones in milk and meat!

From: Liss (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Mon Mar 1 10:59:39 2004

Dear Laura,

I am seeing a Naturopathic Doctor. I finally felt psychologically ready to make some pretty big changes in my diet, whereas before I think I would have balked at her suggestions. For three months, I am to be vegan (no dairy, no meat, no animal products of any kind), drink no alcohol, and have no caffeine. This all has to do with hormones and the liver. Even before seeing her, I was drinking organic skim milk and eating a lot of free range/organic meat. Though free range and organic has less hormones, they still contain hormones because they are living things. The theory with the no caffeine no alcohol is that we are giving my liver a rest from eliminating poisons so that it can resume its role in flushing excess estrogen out of my system. Estrogen makes endo grow, I have heard, so your liver and lymphatic system need to be in optimal condition to flush it out. Things that contribute to estrogen are bcps, meat products, microwaving plastic, and dioxins/pollution.

This diet has been very difficult to adopt. Surprisingly, I am craving alcohol for its social aspects, and caffeine more than I am craving meat products. I have been eating a lot of great Indian food, which makes it easy to be vegan. I have been paranoid about getting enough protein. I have lost some weight too. But to get to the point, I have been doing this for a month and still totally have pain. I am also taking a ton of supplements and herbs, which are quite expensive. Sicne I am still in pain, I still have to take my prescription pain pills, which stress out the liver I am trying to rest. I am kind of discouraged, but I will definetely try it for 2 more months before I decide to resume full-fledged carnivore status (if for nothng else, to get my money's worth out of this expensive process).

My Naturopathic Doctor is great and I feel really good about going to her. If you are looking to try something like this, I really recommend going to a doc rather than trying it on your own, because I really need the reassurance from her that this has worked for many of her patients. The best time to try a diet like that is right after a lap, so you can prevent endo from growing back. Mine is already coming back after my lap 2 1/2 years ago, so I might need another lap and then will try it again if this doesn't work.

After the 3-month vegan thing, this will still be a long-term lifestyle change, so it is not for everyone. I would also try giving up dairy first, and slowly changing what is in your refrigerator to get the soy products you need in there. I think you need to make a plan and have a start date, or else it is too overwhelming.

You could also do a google search for the book Endometriosis: Healing Through Nutrition. It has a lot of information about hormones and how they affect endo. That book recommends giving up wheat instead of meat, so who knows what to do? Also good to note that sometimes Chinese Medicine doesn't work for endo because they do not have an understanding of hormones and some of the herbs actually add hormones in a negative way. Good luck! --Liss

At Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Laura wrote: >
>I would like to respond Bett's message from yesterday--she said that she
>felt much better after she stopped consuming cow's milk. I've heard
>other women here say the same thing and I think I'm going to try it
>(although right now I'm drinking a lot of milk!)
>
>What I found interesting about Bett's post is that she was talking a lot
>about hormones. I'm still new to the whole endo thing--only been
>suffering for about a year, and my doctor has been no help so most of
>what I know about it I learned here--so I wasn't really aware that
>hormones play such a large role in endo and menstrual pain (although I
>guess it's common sense).
>
>What just clicked in my head is this: maybe it isn't the cow's milk
>itself that causes our symptoms to worsen, but the hormones that are
>injected into the cows! It's common knowledge that milk contains
>residues of all sorts of hormones and antibiotics which were injected
>into the cows to make them healthy and productive. Same with red
>meat--heifers are injected with steroids which stay in the meat when it
>is eaten. Not a pleasant thought at all--it makes me want to become a
>vegetarian.
>
>There are so many synthetic hormones in our food these days, no wonder
>it's wreaking havoc on our bodies!
>
>I've also read that the massive numbers of women taking birth control
>pills has caused large amounts of hormones to be let into our lakes and
>rivers (because they urinate out the excess and it gets into the water
>system), causing fish to become hermaphrodites and be unable to breed.
>
>This sort of thing scares me. I believe that the drug companies are
>tampering with nature more than they realize (or maybe they do realize,
>I don't know). It also angers me, because what if a lot of women with
>endo got it because of synthetic hormones in their food? It's hardly
>their fault then, is it, then doctors (some doctors) treat them like
>it's all in their head or give them more drugs and synthetic hormones.
>This doesn't seem right to me.
>
>There are certainly times when surgery and/or drugs are neccessary. But,
>on the whole, the more I think about it the more I believe that most
>women would be better off without doctors--or at least, would be better
>off supplementing the doctor's care with a proper diet, cutting out milk
>and meat or eating organic, generally taking good care of themselves.
>Virtually all of the success stories I've read on this message board
>involve the individual changing their diet, taking herbs, and
>exercising. I haven't heard many people say they had a good experience
>with drugs or bcps.
>
>I don't know if I'm way off course here, but I was just thinking about
>it so I thought I'd share my thoughts with everyone.
>
>Laura

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