ENDO Messages for December, 1998: Re: 3rd general surgeon

Re: 3rd general surgeon

From: Linda (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Tue Dec 22 12:55:50 1998

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Toni,

I've been reading your post and hurt with you when dealing with this. My question to you is this: do you pose these questions to these doctors? The reason I say this is because I always thought I was wording myself very well when talking with a doctor. Then with a visit to a new doctor, when we walked out of the room it dawned on me that I wasn't point-blank asking him the questions I wanted answers to. I was waltzing all the way around the question and expected him to give me an answer when I never *really* asked the question.

If the doctor were to tell me that these adhesions (I'm dealing with the same mess) are *not* causing me the pain, then I would ask "then doctor, why is it after surgery when these adhesions are cut - do I feel no pain?" "why, (in my case) is it when I sneeze, I feel ripping? Ripping, what else would cause this and why do you think it would not cause pain? It has already been proven in surgery."

Something new I figured out when finding my new doctor - which I love is....when I was calling around I asked his front office this: "I actively research and study issues involving my healthcare - is Dr.XYZ going to be comfortable with me asking questions, inquirying and questioning his recommendation?" They told me yes and when I went for my consultation, he walked in the room and proudly stated "so, I hear you're going to drill me and that you do a lot of research?" I appreciated this. It proved what I said to his front office made it into the file for my consultation and he wasn't surprised when I started firing questions at him.

Personally Toni, I think this is the first thing you have to do -- get on the phone and call around. Feel comfortable that prior to meeting a new doctor, that he is not going to make you feel like an idiot when you get there. A lot of times your instincts are going to tell you this with the first person you talk to on the phone at their office.

I know this is rambling but what I am trying to say is: be strong, *we* know and *you* know that it isn't in your head. Now, don't give up until you find someone who is willing to sit and work out a game plan. If you get into the doctor visit and they start playing this 'Greater Than Thee" attitude, simply say "thank you for your time Dr. XYZ, but obviously our views are different and I will not waste anymore of *our* time." and walk out. Remember Your time is just as important as his!!

I know it is hard, but persevere!!!

Warm hugs along with my long winded opinion, Linda

---Toni Welsh <anonymous@obgyn.net> wrote: >
> I am remembering other things that this dr. said, who is supposed
to be > good surgeon(ive heard) the one thing he said in a round about way
too, > was that it is in our head! That right there upset me, he tired to
tell > me of all the autopies that are done on people and that 60% or more
had > adhesions, he basically told me that I was crazy that they do not
cause > pain, first one to tell me this, and he also said that the barriers
they > use like interceed which my gyn used is al a gimmick, they do not
help! > They may help in a few small areas, but he does not believe in them,
he > told me that general surgeons do not believe in surgery, but that
gyns. > (some of them I guess) love to lysis adhesions. I was told by my gyn
> that after the laparoscopy that the adhesions HAD to be taken care of
> eventually, they were constricting my bowel, the general surgons
want to > wait til you obstruct(seems like) and then they will take care of you.
> Maybe I am wrong, but I hope when the time ever comes for surgery, I
> will go with gyn if he will do it!
> So I saw on surgeon believes in multiple surgeries to wrap bowel for
> adhesions, and one that says it is in our heads, ADHESIONS DO NOT
CAUSE > PAIN! Like my gyn said, alot of women DO have them and cause no
> problems, but there are some it does cause problems with, teh dr today
> told me that adhesions tugging on your bowel will not cause you
pain, I > felt like I was goofy!
> He did say that they could do cat scan, and probably upper GI seires
> small bowel study, and male sure that there are no other trouble they
> may have missed cause of all the scarring, and that since I had a
family > history of inflammatory bowel diesae, they should check my blood for
> that, but my son and sister were diagnosed at 20 years old, they have
> crohns disease(ulcerative colitis), my sister has colostomy, last
year, > and my son is just on one medication he will have to take the rest of
> his life, this dr said that with irritable bowel, they may have to
treat > me more aggressively, which I had IBS for years, and no pain, except
if > it acted up, now the pain is pretty constant!
> Sorry so long, just confused! Toni
>

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