Re: DR REDWINE? - Um, No
From: E. (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Mon Jan 26 20:39:11 2009
Count me in on saying bravo to your opinion.
All these 'experts' have excuses, but that's just what they are,
excuses.
The bottom line: they refuse to work with insurance co's.
And as a result, most women with endo can't have proper surgeries.
Anyone who voices this opinion is often maligned, called names,
attacked, etc.
It isn't new.
This message board is not so much an advertisement for Redwine as it is
for the CEC.
The CEC is CONSTANTLY heavily marketed here as if they are the only
doctors who can magically 'cure' people or help women with endo.
There are many other doctors who do proper endo surgery & accept
insurance.
And I don't appreciate the cheap shot against Dr. Orbuch, either.
At least she *helps* women with endo, they can afford her!!
At Mon, 26 Jan 2009, CindyTN wrote:
>
>Well, your opinion is your opinion and mine is mine. You can call me
>sarcastic and I can continue to believe that you were. As a matter of
>fact, I can indeed speak on behalf of a LOT of doctors because you don't
>know what industry or profession I work in and what my specific role is
>for my organization. I'm not going to go posting my personal position
>and organization on a public message board, but I can say that I have
>been doing this work and know first-hand the reasons why doctors refuse
>to file or do file insurance. If you don't believe me or you want to
>continue to put me down, then that's your personal problem. I have
>helped a lot of women over the past 18+ years I've been, not only an
>endo patient and support group leader in my community, but also after
>the 18+ years that I've worked in this industry.
>
>I find it rather appalling that this message board seems like nothing
>more than an advertisement for Dr. Redwine and his staff. He is not
>the only qualified specialist out there and for people to put down all
>the other qualified physicians in the field of Endometriosis care and
>research is just down-right negligent.
>
>Again, a doctor being "new" or not "new" has absolutely nothing to do
>with if they take insurance or not. Dr. Dan Martin has been in
>practice for over 20 years, and he still files insurance. MOST doctors
>file insurance. Very few of them don't.
>
>At Mon, 26 Jan 2009, anonymous wrote:
>>
>>Didn't the person say the husband was ''willing'' to travel? That's what
>>struck me....sarcastic? I don't think so. I find your tone on the
>>sarcastic side, when what was done was a mere question was asked.
>>
>>I don't think a lot of people liked the subject title or the tone of the
>>post itself.
>>
>>Dr Robbins is ''new.'' Redwine and the CEC have been doing excision
>>surgery for more than two decades. Robbins IS ''new.'' He's also
>>further away for a lot of people. It's wonderful that he helps people,
>>but let's see if he's still taking insurance in a few years. Dr Orbuch
>>most likely takes insurance for the same reasons.
>>
>>Your tone below is sarcastic and condescending. You can't possibly know
>>all the reasons a doctor does something, but you're pretending that you
>>do know. How interesting. You can't speak for endo docs, especially
>>when many doctors have info on their sites about why they charge the way
>>they do.
>>
>>So interesting how you jump on people with inconsiderate and
>>condescending wording.
>>
>>And many women don't have enough support, so I'm sure that was why the
>>question was asked. Perhaps this husband does not support the woman?
>>That happens often sadly.
>>
>>At Sun, 25 Jan 2009, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>
>>>Each family has unique circumstances, and I can think of many reasons
>>>why a husband may not travel with his wife out of state for medical
>>>help. For instance, maybe their JOB and taking care of the kids
>>>prevents him from doing so. Not everybody has a lot of family/friend
>>>support during a difficult time to help with the kids and maintain an
>>>income. I found your tone and message a little on the sarcastic side,
>>>without thinking of circumstances that other people may be going
>>>through.
>>>
>>>Also, the comment you made about Dr. Robbins (and I don't know this dr)
>>>taking insurance because he is "new," well, that is just ridiculous. The
>>>only reason why a doctor would NOT accept any type of insurance is
>>>because A) he doesn't want to be held accountable to the rules and rate
>>>tables that insurance companies impose B) he doesn't want to agree to
>>>reduce his rate down to the "reasonable and customary" charges, even
>>>when his rate is over the usual and customary rate for services in his
>>>area C) he doesn't want the hassle of filing insurance claims. He wants
>>>his money up front and wants to forget about anything other than
>>>providing medical care.
>>>
>>>MOST doctors file insurance. They may not be on every insurance
>>>network, but I would personally never see a doctor who didn't file
>>>insurance. Contrary to the suggestion you made in your statement,
>>>doctors don't just stop taking insurance when they are no longer "new"
>>>doctors. In my profession, I have direct access to thousands and
>>>thousands of doctors. I don't know a single one of them who refuses to
>>>file insurance, and many of them are "experts" in their field and have
>>>been for 20 years or more. In today's economy, a doctor who thinks he
>>>is so great that he doesn't have to file insurance for his patients,
>>>that doctor is shooting his own foot in an economy where people can
>>>hardly afford their insurance premiums, much less the complete cost of a
>>>medical procedure without insurance being filed.
>>>
>>>Why should anybody have to worry about paying a substantial amount of
>>>money out of their own pocket, when there are plenty of qualified
>>>physicians who will file insurance and let you pay your copay only? Dr.
>>>Redwine is NOT the only doctor in the United States who is qualified to
>>>treat Endometriosis. There are many other experts in this field who are
>>>equally as qualified and who will file your insurance for you.
>>>
>>>At Sun, 25 Jan 2009, anonymous wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Confused - how could a husband NOT travel with his wife for help? Where
>>>>else should he be but by her side?
>>>>
>>>>Robbins is ''new'' in some sense, and that is probably why he takes
>>>>insurance. I'd like to see if he still does it in the years to come.
>>>>That's not a knock against him, it's just the business. Dr Orbuch also
>>>>takes insurance and she too is ''new.''
>>>>
>>>>You can always do an appeal with your insurance company for out of
>>>>network. the CEC does this for you.
>>>>
>>>>They also do not require a full amount up front.
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