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Re: Lasor or cutting out endo? To Stacie
From: Stacie (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Sat Oct 30 09:35:52 2004
Thanks alot for the info. I am checking with my doctor on Monday and
also going to look into U of M Hospital for a specialist. I am also
trying herbal teas and vitamin B & E, plus fruit and veggie pills, and
Eucinea. I am mixing and matching the different herbal teas. Something
has got to work. I will let you guys know.
t Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Chris wrote:
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>Hi Stacie,
>You really have to dig to find this info. So little is actually known
>about endometriosis. I think that not all surgeons cut the endo out
>because there is much controversey about which is better. I think the
>biggest factor is that the laser is easier and cutting takes more skill.
>The laser is easier because it cauterizes and stops bleeding easier.
>This is what I have gathered through what I have read. My endo came
>back really bad after my first surgery with laser. I hope that cutting
>it out this time really gives me more relief. Dr. Reich believes that
>if all the endo is removed down to the root, it won't grow back. He
>says that there is always microscopic endo left behind, but it should
>never come back as bad as I had it. I hope he is right. I don't live
>near Michigan. I live in New Jersey. You should look for an
>endometriosis specialist. And ask lots of questions. Especially
>concerning bowel endo and obliteration of the cul-de-sac if you have
>it...a lot of doctors completely ignore this area because it is
>difficult. You want to know if your surgeon will treat these areas and
>if he/she will use sharp disection. You also want to know their
>laparoscopic ability. A lot of surgeons will cut you open because of
>difficulty and lack of skill laparoscopically. This happened to me with
>my first surgery with my regular obgyn (the one who used laser). He
>also cut me open instead of doing it laparoscopically. This causes so
>many more problems with adhesions! Here are some websites where you can
>look up endometriosis specialists:
>http://www.geocities.com/endometriose/endolinks.html
>http://www.endoangels.com/links.html
>http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8509/endokit.html I'm sure
>others would be able to maybe give you suggestions for a specialist in
>your area if you ask on here. Unfortunately, a lot of the specialists
>don't deal with insurance and you have to pay them up front. I wonder
>if things would be the same if men got endo? I hope I have helped some.
>Feel free to e-mail me if you want to.
>Chris
>
>At Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Stacie wrote:
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>>Chris,
>>Thank you so much for the info. I don't think alot of us know that. I
>>feel like I just wasted my time with the last lap. I wonder why they
>>don't do the disection and just waste our time. Mine is now worse than
>>it was before I had my 1st lap. Do you live any where near Michigan? I
>>am going to look into another Doctor.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Stacie
>>
>>At Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Chris wrote:
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>>>Yes, I have heard numerous times that cutting the endo out is better
>>>than laser. Pretty much every endometriosis specialist does it this
>>>way. It is called sharp disection. When I had my first appointment
>>>with Dr. Harry Reich, he told me that first of all the laser burns and
>>>cooks your organs and causes more scar tissue. He also said that the
>>>laser only burns the surface of the endometriosis, leaving the roots,
>>>which then grow back with a vengence. This must have happened to me
>>>because after my first surgery (using laser), the endometriosis came
>>>back worse than ever!! I have read numerous stories from women who have
>>>had the sharp disection and they have had years of pain relief. I had
>>>surgery with sharp disection recently and so far, no pain from endo. I
>>>haven't even taken one Advil during my period. And I had stage IV endo.
>>>I hope this helps.
>>>
>>>At Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Stacie wrote:
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>>>>Hey everyone,
>>>>Has anyone heard if either treatment is better, cutting or burning with
>>>>the lasor of the endo during laproscopy. I recieved a video from the
>>>>endo research assoc and the doctor on there said if you just burn the
>>>>endo it does not get the roots. But cutting gets all of it. I am
>>>>wondering if that is why mine keeps coming back so quick. Any thoughts?
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