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Re: - progesterone update
From: anonymous@obgyn.net
Thu Aug 26 09:58:16 2004
I thought the point of the addback therapy was so that the amount of
bone mass density does not decrease as much while on Lupron.
Melanie
At Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Lori wrote:
>
>I wonder, what is the point of the addback therapy, is it adding a bit
>of estrogen because of the estrogen loss caused by Lupron?
>
>Then in this case it would not help, because it is progesterone.
>The point of the progesterone cream is to balance the excess estrogen
>when used alone without any other hormonal meds. Endo grows with
>estrogen.
>Kind of confusing to me...I really am guessing on all of this, so do not
>take my word for it.
>Lori
>
>At Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Dawn wrote:
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>>Lana,
>>That is a really good question, and something that I have wondered, even
>>though I'm not still on the Lupron. If the Lupron puts the body into a
>>menopausal state, then I wonder how it would differ from using the
>>add-back therapy? Unfortunately, I have NO clue. If you research it and
>>find out anything for sure, please post!
>>
>>At Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Lori wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi
>>>I would say: NO WAY- DO NOT USE IT WITH LUPRON both hormonal.
>>> I get it from the health food store.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Lori
>>>my story http://www.theendoclub.com
>>>
>>>At Tue, 24 Aug 2004, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>Just had a question about the progesterone cream. Can you use it while
>>>>on Lupron? My pain is constant and is more like a constant burn. Do you
>>>>think this cream would help? Where can I get it?
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Lana
>>>>
>>>>At Sat, 14 Aug 2004, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Dawn,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm so glad to hear that the cream is helping you. It REALLY helped me
>>>>>too. I still use it some during my periods too b/c it really seems to
>>>>>help with cramps. I rub it right over the area that is cramping. Dr.
>>>>>Lee's books are great! I learned so much. Every part of our bodies are
>>>>>so related to everything else. I had no idea. The cream seems to help
>>>>>my allergies when they are flaring really bad. I rub it right over the
>>>>>areas that area hurting. And it seems to help my knee pain. I read in
>>>>>Dr. Lee's books that this could be a "side effect" and it sure was for
>>>>>me. Yea! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't been able to get off coffee completely either, but I did
>>>>>manage to cut down to one mug of 1/3 or less caffeine and the rest
>>>>>decaffeinated. I reduced the caffeine slowly because I was getting
>>>>>withdrawals headaches. Also, organic coffee should not have the
>>>>>chemicals that other coffees have, so it is safer from a chemical
>>>>>standpoint. Just be sure to get it from a reputable producer. I was
>>>>>buying organic "flavored" coffees from Whole Foods when all of the
>>>>>sudden, it disappeared from the shelves. I asked what happened and was
>>>>>told that Whole Foods independently tested those coffees and found that
>>>>>they found chemicals in them! GRRRRR makes me mad that these producers
>>>>>can get away with that stuff (and I lost my favorite coffee). :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck!
>>>>>Bett
>>>>>
>>>>>At Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Dawn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jill Mary, Lori, et al.,
>>>>>>OK, this progesterone cream is pretty awesome stuff! I've been on it 2
>>>>>>weeks now, and I've had SIGNIFICANT improvement in my mood, insomnia,
>>>>>>and my IBS symptoms! Is it possible that it did all that? The diarrhea
>>>>>>has been gone all this week, and I was taking Colestid for that almost
>>>>>>every day. I haven't had to take any in over a week now.
>>>>>>I finally got John Lee's book, "What your doctor may not tell you about
>>>>>>premenopause", and I definitely think I have been estrogen dominant my
>>>>>>whole life, so I'm hoping and praying that this cream is the answer for
>>>>>>me! I wish I could be disciplined enough to go on the no
>>>>>>wheat-sugar-meat diet. I think it would probably help also. I did give
>>>>>>up caffeine, and I was about a 3-4 cup a day coffee drinker. That about
>>>>>>killed me, because I LOVED my coffee. It was especially hard to smell
>>>>>>it in the mornings when my husband made it, but it is getting easier. I
>>>>>>never knew about caffeine's impact on estrogen, and that it is heavily
>>>>>>sprayed with DDT. This book is so interesting!
>>>>>>It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the painful cramps
>>>>>>to get better, Lee mentions in this book that it can take 3-4 months
>>>>>>after starting to use the cream to see improvement in the pain.
>>>>>>Just wanted to share that with you all!
>>>>>>TGIF,
>>>>>>Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Jill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Dawn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just wanted to let you know that I use the same progesterone cream
>>>>>>>(Pro-Gest). I use it at night before bed and have had the best sleep at
>>>>>>>nights than I have had in years. I also noticed that I had more energy
>>>>>>>in the daytime and was able to jog a little more when I went for my
>>>>>>>brisk walks at night. I am starting my 4th month of continual use and
>>>>>>>as far as my heavy bleeding goes, it has not lowered it yet, but has
>>>>>>>shortened it by a day. It helped a little with the cramping, but I also
>>>>>>>began to take Omega 3 last month and it helped the best. I had minimal
>>>>>>>cramping! So glad!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just wanted to share that with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Jill Mary <><
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Dawn wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lori,
>>>>>>>>Thanks for the information. I started using Pro-gest last Saturday. Too
>>>>>>>>soon to tell what it will do for my painful cramps, but I have noticed
>>>>>>>>an improvement in my mood the last couple of days. I was really weepy
>>>>>>>>and now do not feel that way at all. I don't know if it has anything to
>>>>>>>>do with the Pro-gest, but it's really improved a lot! I got that brand
>>>>>>>>because that is the brand that is mentioned in the new Endometriosis
>>>>>>>>Association/Mary Lou Ballweg's book: Endometriosis: the complete
>>>>>>>>reference for taking charge of your health, c2004. Got another lap
>>>>>>>>scheduled for December, but I thought I would try this to see if it
>>>>>>>>would help me get through the pain till then.
>>>>>>>>I'm on hold for some of John Lee's books at the library... hope they
>>>>>>>>come in soon.
>>>>>>>>Thanks and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At Tue, 3 Aug 2004, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.life-flo.com/shop/womenshealth.asp
>>>>>>>>>This is the brand I use. Pro-gestacare. It worked for me progressivly
>>>>>>>>>over a period of a few months. The 1st month was a major difference in
>>>>>>>>>Pain & then it became very minimal pain at about 3 months. I have been
>>>>>>>>>using it I think about 3 years now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Before: 5 days of horrid pain with sharp intermittent pains all month
>>>>>>>>>with passing clots also. Now: 1 day of pain if I forget to use all the
>>>>>>>>>doses the prior month. Some months no pain. No clotting. I did have
>>>>>>>>>other endo problems that required more.....but the pain
>>>>>>>>>part-Halleluia!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I use it every day 2x a day. I stop it once I feel my period coming &
>>>>>>>>>continue it once the period is over-this brand has a dose that comes out
>>>>>>>>>automatically, so it does not need to be measured.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It tends not to be believed that it could possiblly work-something over
>>>>>>>>>the counter from a health food store-come on!!!! this is what most think
>>>>>>>>>& most gynos do not believe it also- but it contains natural
>>>>>>>>>progesterone bioidentical to what your body makes.
>>>>>>>>>Do not just listen to me, If you want to write to me, I will look up the
>>>>>>>>>link to endo natural where their are many women who use it their with
>>>>>>>>>good results. Also their is a good link to Dr. Lees website with more
>>>>>>>>>info I would have to look up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>write to me if any other ?'s & if it works for you, please post on this
>>>>>>>>>forum, as others may want to know your results. It is not supposed to
>>>>>>>>>be used with any other hormones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lori
>>>>>>>>>my story http://www.theendoclub.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Dawn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>I just have a few questions about using the progesterone for endo for
>>>>>>>>>>the current forum folks--
>>>>>>>>>>I was wondering... of those who have had good success with the natural
>>>>>>>>>>progesterone cream for your endo symptoms -- how long did it take to
>>>>>>>>>>start to see results after you started using it, what brand do you use,
>>>>>>>>>>and how often/what days of your cycle do you use it?
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>>>>>
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