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Re: I'm so upset!
From: Amber (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Wed Jul 21 23:12:09 2004
I have worked as a medical biller for several years now, and the only
thing I can tell you is the patient never wins against insurance. Now
you can get your doctor's office to get in your insurance's network,
which would make you wait a bit longer, or you can ask your doctor's
office to contact the insurance company and find out exactly why they
aren't covering it. Alot of times patients call their insurance, and
get the wrong information because they don't understand the "medical
lingo". As for religious and political postings, I would feel great if
someone prayed for me and my problems. I think it should be fine for
people to post these things. After all this is a chat that is set up to
help women with endo. Endo doesn't choose women that have certain
political or religious views. Endo picks all types of women. No one is
immune from it. We need each other's support, isn't that why we are
here? We didn't ask for support in only one point of view. This isn't
the endo site for the non-political or non-religious women. Isn't this
site for ALL WOMEN with Endo. I don't think anyone should try to offend
anyone else, but if someone is praying for you, that's their way of
support, and even if your not religious, you should feel grateful that
they are supporting you in their own way. I would not have signed up
for this chat if it said nobody could post anything about thier skin
color or the job they have. That's just not right. Endo isn't picky
and we shouldn't be in finding our support. We should be grateful in
whatever kind of support we get, and give our support in the best way we
know how. But with that said, we should also know that not everyone
shares our own views and should try not to offend or push our views onto
others.
At Wed, 21 Jul 2004, anonymous wrote:
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>"Bett," that was exactly my point!! Whether you like it or not, if
>anyone posts something of a religious or political nature, it may be
>deleted and the person may not be allowed to post again. Geez, I was
>just trying to help. Don't take it personally when I say that you
>weren't on the site then. I know who you are talking about and I won't
>say her name, but I know she meant NO harm. I was one of the ones who
>stood up for her. Since a message that was meant to be positive that
>happened to be of a religious nature was deleted, I figured that a
>political comment such as "screw Bush" which wasn't meant to be positive
>may get the person who posted it booted off the forum. I just wanted to
>warn her so that she could stay on here. Some people were VERY offended
>by the prayer, I was NOT one of them. But, since some people were
>offended, everyone was warned not to go off topic again. (topic being
>endo) However, since those messages have been deleted, the girl that
>posted the anti-Bush comment may not know. I just didn't want what
>happened before to happen again. I, too, am very interested in how
>politics affect health care, but I don't post messages that say "screw"
>anybody. That is a very negative attitude and won't do anything to
>further our cause. Perhaps posting something that is concrete, such as
>so and so voted such and such on this or that, would help. But
>insulting someone only leaves hurt feelings.
>
>At Wed, 21 Jul 2004, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
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>>No, "anonymous", I wasn't on this site then. But, I have since gotten
>>an email from a person who said she only posted a prayer for someone and
>>that was deleted by the Editor, and then started the mess you are
>>talking about. I think that is a little ridiculous. I'm not
>>particularly religious but I certainly wouldn't be offended if someone
>>said a prayer for me, in ANY religion. It's not like she was trying to
>>shove her particular religion down someone's throat or personally
>>attacking someone else for their religion. She was trying to be nice
>>and bring that person peace.
>>
>>As I said, the fact is that politics do play a big role in what we are
>>exposed to. And since it is affecting my health so dramatically, I am
>>obviously interested, as all Endo sufferers should be. We have to take
>>control of our healths and that means that we have to control what we
>>are exposed to. And, what we are exposed to is controlled by govt
>>agencies so we need to pay attention to who is running those agencies.
>>
>>I think if we are going to be so censored or attacked for a difference
>>of opinion.... or if we are criticized because we express frustration
>>and outrage with trying to fight this disease, and all that encompasses,
>>then I will have to use another, more accepting, Endo site.
>>
>>At Wed, 21 Jul 2004, anonymous wrote:
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>>>Bett,
>>>
>>>You obviously were not on this forum from October of last year to Jan.
>>>of this year. There was a HUGE problem with messages that had a
>>>religious nature, all of which were deleted by the "forum manager."
>>>Believe me, if you post messages that are not exactly related to endo,
>>>such as "screw Bush!!" they will delete them and not allow you to post
>>>here again. And even though these messages may not offend you
>>>personally, you cannot speak for the whole world. A lot of women on
>>>this forum were very offended by previous messages that have since been
>>>deleted. All I am saying is be careful what you write.
>>>
>>>And to the original ANON poster, read your insurance information
>>>carefully. There is probably a clause in it that allows them to change
>>>their policy on things such as out of network providers at least once a
>>>year. And I just went through a huge problem with my insurance company,
>>>so I know they always win. You would think that being an insurance
>>>company they would want to help people, but don't be fooled- they only
>>>want money. And they make less money when you use your policy, so you
>>>are "black listed" as a "trouble maker" if you use your policy more than
>>>someone who never gets sick. I just went through a million appeals with
>>>my own insurance company and found out that that is how I am listed
>>>because I have had to use my policy a lot in the past few years. Good
>>>Luck!!
>>>
>>>At Wed, 21 Jul 2004, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>That does sound odd. Maybe you should call back a few times and see if
>>>>you get the same answer every time? [You'd be surprised at how many
>>>>totally inept people are answering phones] :-) Maybe you just got a hold
>>>>of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. If you have a
>>>>booklet that says it should be covered, it seems odd that you are told
>>>>that it's not. Or call your company's benefit people (although I did
>>>>that week and they were pretty much worthless at my company). I guess
>>>>the alternative would be to ask your doctor to sign up for your
>>>>insurance so he's in network. (But you'd have to postpone your surgery)
>>>>My chiropractor siged up for mine after I changed jobs. I know he gets
>>>>screwed when my insurance pays him though [all the middleman BS], so I
>>>>pay more than they say I'm supposed to.
>>>>
>>>>BTW: I have to disagree somewhat with the lady who posted a message
>>>>below. Plenty of people have posted religious or political type
>>>>messages here without being "booted". The fact is that politics do a
>>>>play a HUGE part of our medical care. And I think we need to be
>>>>informed about how our politicians are voting, because it SO effects
>>>>everything from the type of medical treatment [drugs] that we are
>>>>offered; to how much insurance we have, if any; to the type of toxic
>>>>waste being dumped into our food, water and air that SO effects our
>>>>estrogen levels and therefore our disease!
>>>>
>>>>Also, a lot of people are very comforted and find relief in their
>>>>religion and prayer. Even though personally, I don't find a lot of
>>>>relief in that aspect, I would never criticize someone for posting
>>>>something religious in nature that might help another.
>>>>
>>>>>>At Tue, 20 Jul 2004, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm so pissed of right now. I just found out that my insurance does not
>>>>>>>cover out of network doctors. Since I started working at my job 2 years
>>>>>>>ago I was under the belief that my insurance covered 80% of usual and
>>>>>>>customary. Now, 7 days before my surgery out of town, I discover that
>>>>>>>my insurance doesnt cover it! How can that be? I have a booklet from
>>>>>>>work that says 80% for out of network. How could a smart person like me
>>>>>>>be so misinformed! I'm so damn upset. Screw Bush, screw all the
>>>>>>>politicians, greedy insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies
>>>>>>>that make our life living hell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Okay, thanks, I feel better now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am sorry that this has happened to you, but this is not a "bash Bush"
>>>>>>political forum. This is a forum to discuss endo. Religious messages
>>>>>>are not tolerated and people have been booted from this forum for
>>>>>>posting messages of a religious nature. Political messages are not
>>>>>>tolerated either. You may want to read the rules of this forum before
>>>>>>you get in trouble. And, FYI, the insurance companies were screwing
>>>>>>people long before Bush was ever in office, so don't blame him!!
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