Re: Sad sad thing
From: anonymous (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Thu Apr 15 19:42:30 2004
Candace,
I don't understand what you are talking about when you say "going
everywhere I post." I don't have any problem with you. I have only sent
3 messages(I will tell you exactly which 3 if you like). I realize that
there were some more messages, and some of them were really mean, posted
by an anonymous poster, but they weren't written nor posted by me. I
didn't realize that by responding I would anger so many people, and it
wasn't my intention. I know what it is like to be treated horribly by
doctors and nurses. I could go into a four day discussion on the
horrible things I have been told. I am not in any way trying to flame
you for being upset at the way they treated you. I am just trying to
see if there is another way to get results without yelling and cussing.
For me, personally, I always feel worse after I do that to someone so in
a way their bad behavior got them exactly what they wanted, you know
what I mean? If your doctor is horrible, and it sounds to me like he
really is if he won't give you enough bc to last a year, then you
shouldn't bother yourself with dealing with him and his office. Stress
makes endo a lot worse, and people treating you like that causes a lot
of stress. Keep switching doctors until you find one that you like. If
you got bad service at a restaurant, you wouldn't go back, so why go
back to a bad doctor's office, you know? Please don't misunderstand me,
I am on your side. I am just one of those people who are offended by
curse words, I am not offended by you. I don't think that you should
leave, either. I think that we should just put this behind us and move
on to better places. :)
At Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Candace wrote:
>
>Just to get a point across. When I posted this message it was not to
>start drama, nor was it intended for people to flame me. It was
>something I needed to get off of my chest. I didn't expect Ms. Anon to
>flame me. Yes, I know what can and can't happen in a docs office. I've
>worked in a doc office until I couldn't work any longer. Every other
>person with any other disease seems to get different treatment. It's
>like Endo is a type of taboo. There's no way to completely treat it or
>make the pain go away. I don't know if it's because the doctors think
>this that they must be defensive or what. I didn't want a doc to fill
>me some huge scrip. If i wanted that I could hop online and grab a ton
>of pills for a set price and be done and over with it, or I could hit
>Northeast and stand on the street corner advertising a price. All I was
>doing was what my other doctor recommended me to do! Call the people who
>referred me there!
>
>By cussing and going off I actually did get something done. The nurse
>spoke to a DOCTOR. A nurse (MA) is not all powerful, but in that office
>is the one who decides to talk to the doc. No my doctor doesn't give me
>months upon months of birth control refills. I've asked. He won't.
>
>I'm sorry. I thought this was a place of support, and Ms. Anon.. You
>know who you are. Instead of going everywhere I post please e-mail me
>if you have some unknown problem with me.
>
>Sorry for this long post. I'm debating on if it will be my last. I
>don't get support from my doctors office, and my family doesn't
>understand. You would think women with this disease would understand,
>but quiet contrary to popular thinking, even women with the same disease
>can't bond together and support one another. Who will now?!
>
>At Thu, 15 Apr 2004, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>
>>Well Said, Thank You!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>t Thu, 15 Apr 2004, ANON wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, we get that you are passionate about this issue, but good grief! For
>>>the record, doctors (and their physicians assistants) are allowed to
>>>refill pain meds at a certain dosage for a set amount of time and/or a
>>>certain number of refills. If the pharmacy refuses to fill it, then the
>>>patient has to go to the office to be re-evaluated. I know this because
>>>I work in a dr's office. I agree that we should be nice to our medical
>>>personnel (since I am one of those people), however, women with endo can
>>>receive some extremely incompetent care and it's frustrating. I would
>>>never treat my patients the way I have been treated in the past by
>>>various dr's and their staff members, but it happens. So, can we just
>>>drop this? The purpose of this forum is to help women with endo, not
>>>witness an messageboard version of Jerry Springer.
>>>
>>>At Thu, 15 Apr 2004, anonymous wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Anon,
>>>>
>>>>The fact that my dad got addicted to pain pills does not color my
>>>>judgement of others and it is not my "personal cause." Yes, Candace did
>>>>the right thing by calling her doctor's office, but you failed to
>>>>mention that her doctor's office also did the right thing. Pain pills
>>>>should not be prescribed over the phone, nor should any prescription
>>>>drug for that matter. How do you know that they only want to
>>>>"inconvenience" her by making her run back and forth every time she
>>>>needs a prescription? FYI, doctor's are allowed by law to give enough
>>>>birth control to last for 12 months but no longer. There is GOOD reason
>>>>for that. A women on bc should be seen and have an exam done every 12
>>>>months to prevent bad things from happening to her body. She should
>>>>also be evaluated and have an exam done PRIOR to being prescribed bc. I
>>>>am sick and tired of people posting "hate mail" about doctor's offices
>>>>for doing their jobs!! Her doctor's office could have gotten in a lot of
>>>>trouble for giving her pain meds while her doctor was not in the office.
>>>>Simply having another doctor look over her file is not enough!! Her
>>>>doctor's office did the RIGHT thing by telling her that they could not
>>>>prescribe her pain meds without the doctor who had seen her giving them
>>>>the OK.
>>>>
>>>>I would also like to respond to the comment about "nailing the SOBs."
>>>>What good has her cursing the doctor's office staff done? Has anything
>>>>changed? Are they now more respectful to her? Why can't people stand up
>>>>for themselves without cursing and yelling at someone else? Being able
>>>>to yell and curse at someone does not make you a hero, a twelve year old
>>>>could do that. Why couldn't she have said that she is disappointed that
>>>>the doctor's office couldn't or wouldn't help her and that due to their
>>>>lack of concern, she is going to switch doctors? That would have made a
>>>>far more powerful statement than yelling and cursing, believe me. And
>>>>she would still have her dignity and pride that someone else's bad
>>>>behavior did not influence her behavior negatively.
>>>>
>>>>And finally, this forum has rules and one of them is no cursing. Please
>>>>respect other people and follow the rules instead of incouraging them to
>>>>be broken.
>>>>
>>>>At Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Candace, I totally understand what you are saying. Anonymous, I
>>>>>respectfully disagree with you for a couple of reasons. 1) Just because
>>>>>your dad got addicted to pain pills, that should not color your judgment
>>>>>of others or be your personal cause. I feel for what you and your
>>>>>family went through, but it's really someone else's fight in this case.
>>>>>Candace was doing the right thing - if she wanted to get the pills, no
>>>>>matter what the reason, she would have simply gone to any street corner
>>>>>in the nearest city and had them, or ordered them online from Canada a
>>>>>long time ago! She did the right thing - contacted her doctor to ask for
>>>>>medication. And they shunned her and tried to bounce her back and
>>>>>forth. Funny, they don't bounce you around when you owe a payment or
>>>>>when they can bill your insurance, do they? and the other reason I
>>>>>disagree with you is 2) The doctor and his office are NOT concerned
>>>>>about her. They want to inconvenience her by making her run back and
>>>>>forth every single time she needs an rX (even for BCP's - what, you are
>>>>>supposed to go every three months for a full exam?) for an appointment.
>>>>>Regular appointments ARE necessary and SHOULD be scheduled, but I think
>>>>>half the time, doctors insist you come in just so they can bill your
>>>>>insurance or you for the full cost of an office visit, even if their
>>>>>contact is limited to "Hey - here's your rX." I used to stand in the
>>>>>doorway of my orthopedic surgeon's office on my crutches so that he
>>>>>could not escape me, and would have to answer my questions! Otherwise, I
>>>>>would have seen him for 35 seconds and a $150 bill.
>>>>>
>>>>>Candace, keep giving that office heck! Personally, I was not offended by
>>>>>your language. I have felt the same way but never had the chutzpah to
>>>>>say it quite that eloquently. Let's face it - we've all said the S
>>>>>word, heard it in the mall, in the movies, wherever. For once, it was
>>>>>not used gratuitously, but rather used for impact and to make a point.
>>>>>It's ok for the office worker to say "We can't do anything for you" but
>>>>>not ok for Candace to say "Hey, that's not ok?"Sorry, but I suffer
>>>>>enough as a woman with this disease, I am not going to be some office
>>>>>worker's doormat. Anonymous, you may get more bees with honey as the
>>>>>proverb says, but sometimes, when the honey you emit starts backing up
>>>>>and making you sick, you have to get out your stinger and nail the SOBs.
>>>>>Go get 'em Candace. You are my hero of the day.
>
>--
>Best of luck!
>
>Candace (lilly)
>
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