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Re: TAMMY Re: Wierd question re: hot flashes? To Tammy
From: anonymous (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Tue Oct 28 08:51:39 2003
Tammy:
I don't normally get involved in matters of this nature, but I couldn't
help myself this time. I have to agree with anon, it is really
frustrating to have my e-mail blocked up with the same response to every
posting. I understand that you feel that alternative therapies are the
way to go for endo treatment, but I really wish that you wouldn't
respond to every post with the same answer. I appreciate that you are
devoted to helping others with endo, but if you truly are so busy
writing your book, how do have time to answer every post? The only
reason that this got out of hand and has now completely taken over the
forum is because you wouldn't let it go. You said you did, but then
kept responding to every additional post on the matter, as if you had to
have the last word. In my opinion, it would have been better to have
not ever responded in the first place. Just let the first anon poster
who obviously is resentful of people asking for money, which I can't
blame her for, have her say without crying out that she slandered you. I
joined this forum to get insight into what helps other people and to
give my insight, whenever I have experience on the subject. I did not
join this forum to get stressed out form getting e-mail after e-mail
about someone getting her feelings hurt. So, please, really let it go.
Don't respond to this e-mail, just read it and let it go. And finally,
I have to respond to the statement "such medications as Depo provera
stops the periods hence the endo stops forming as it NEEDS the period to
form adhesions." First of all, endo and adhesions are two different
things (even though they go hand in hand). Adhesions form as a result
of scar tissue and can form without a period, I know because that is
what happened to me. And second of all, endo does not need a period to
grow, it needs estrogen- which is present without a period. For
instance, women who have had hystos who take HRT- the estrogen in the
HRT feeds their endo and allows it to grow and get worse. And one of
the down sides of soy for women with endo is that is has an
estrogen-like effect on the body and CAN (I didn't say that this is
always the case) make endo and endo symptoms worse. So please, before
you give out any more advise, please remember that different treatments
affect women differently. Instead of telling every woman that
alternative treatment is the best option, maybe you could just say that
it worked for you. I am praying that you will read with an open heart
what I have written and will take my advise. If it really doesn't
bother you, then don't even respond. And lastly(and I promise this is
it), I tried to go to your website yesterday and it crashed my compter.
No joke, that is what really happened. Good luck to you with your book
and I hope and pray that your alternative therapies continue to help
your endo.
God Bless,
"another 'another anon'"
At Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Tammy wrote:
>
>thanks for your email. I am sorry if i upset Lea, but i did not at any point accuse her of anything. Can we put this behind us now. I know there are people out there who have been stung by alternative therapies, i to have so thats nothing new. I was only voicing my opinion that was all. you are right, there seems no cure for endo, and my point about it stopping after periods, although that was probably not what i meant did not say that ENDO COMPLETELY STOPS. what i meant was that such medications as Depo provera stops the periods hence the endo stops forming as it NEEDS the period to form adhesions. this is what i have been told. I am also a firm believer in the fact that endo can be self managed if given the correct tools and you are again right people have their own opinions. Dont slate my website, it has taken me a while to put this together honestly. One thing i will say is everyone woman who posts here is seeking help of some sort. i only offer an alternative viewpoint and
> to be honest i am too busy right now putting my book together. thanks for your email and points noted. its just a shame that sometimes people get stuck in a rut and wont see an alternative but yes it is their personal choice. This seems to have been blown out of proportion and i am sorry for that. This matter is now finished with as far as i am concerned i dont have the time or energy for this. i note that everyone on the website has now seen me being chastised, and i do see it as that. I am sorry for upsetting anyone it was not my intention and i was only offering guidance. Thanks for the brief encounter i had with this site.
>
>best wishes
>
>anonymous <anonymous@obgyn.net> wrote:
>Hello, Tammy.
>
>I was going to stay out of the fray, but after consideration, I felt I
>must post on a few points.
>
>Firstly, you seem to be new to the forum. Welcome.
>
>Secondly, in fairness to the other poster who originally noted a message
>to you, I personally visited your website to see what all the drama was
>about. Truthfully, your website does not say that you offer your
>services for free, so to be honest, while the other poster may have been
>harsh, they were not that out of bounds for sharing an opinion about
>your services. That coupled with the facts that you advertise your
>pending book and also ask for financial support regarding your awareness
>team idea is probably what aggravated some people. You've clarified now
>that you are not doing it for a fee, so I'm sure that all is well in
>that area and we can move on. You have to remember, many of the women
>here have been burned by so called spiritual healing and other estoteric
>services, so perhaps they are on the defensive. That's all. Try to
>have a little understanding for the atmosphere here before you post
>things like that, as they may inflame others, whether their feelings
>about your posts are real or perceived.
>
>Thirdly, Lea has been here far longer than you. She is an employee of
>the company that hosts this place, and therefore entitled to post
>anytime she'd like, particularly when she brings opposing experiences
>and/or viewpoints to posts like the soy thread. Simply because you
>don't like it, doesn't make it wrong - and the same goes for your
>posts...simply because someone else doesn't like what you say, doesn't
>necessarily make it wrong - it just means that this is a place for
>sharing. You do need to understand something, however -- there are far
>too many anonymous posters here to count. All post with the same
>address provided by the system - anonymous@medispecialty.com. That does
>NOT mean that they are all Lea, as you have accused her of doing. Her
>address is clearly visible in her posts, she is not anonymous and she
>did not attack you. Nor were her posts hurtful to you. You accuse
>others of being judgmental and what not, yet you are doing the same
>thing. MANY people here post anonymously, myself included - for many
>reasons. Maybe some of us don't want our medical history widely
>displayed on the internet, maybe some of us log in from work and can't
>have a trail, maybe some of us just want to protect our privacy, as is
>our right to do. Don't malign others for not putting all their business
>out here as you have done.
>
>You also need to take stock in that while your approaches may work, they
>do not work for everyone and your way is not the only way. Please try
>to be a little more tolerable, and your experience here will be much
>more enjoyable.
>
>Lastly, in several of your posts I've noticed you say that when the
>period stops, Endo stops. That's simply not true. If it were,
>pregnancy and menopause or hysterectomy would be cures, and they are
>not. Endo has been diagnosed in children before their first period, in
>80+ year old women and even a handful of men. There is no cure. While
>menopause may alleviate the symptoms in lots of folks, it is by no means
>going to necessarily stop the Endo as you've stated.
>
>Again, welcome to the forum. I think you will find it an interesting
>place in which to share your thoughts with others, but remember, your
>way is not the only way, and answering every single post from every
>single woman, with the same exact answer, is not going to endear you to
>others here who have been struggling for many years.
>
>Note that this message is not intended to be offensive, but rather a
>frank and truthful observation from someone who has been on the forum
>here for years and read the recent threads with interest. We are all
>allowed to share our thoughts - even those you don't agree with -
>without fear of reprisal; you included. From an outsider's view, I see
>someone writing in response to every single post with the same type of
>answer and then jumping up defensively when someone else responds in
>opposition. That's not the way this forum works.
>
>I hope that you receive this note in the spirit in which it was
>intended. I'm not bashing you, as I'm sure you'll claim, but rather
>sharing my view of what's transpired here over the last couple days and
>providing ways in which perhaps we can all co-exist peacefully.
>
>>>I just noted that the harsh email i received from anonymous@obgyn.net is actually part of the OBGYN team. Why is it she is allowed to post harsh emails with damaging comments. that is not at all professional. i thougt forums were monitored for this sort of thing. does no one monitor the forum? Not that i am remotely bothered by the individual just that in UK this sort of bad behaviour on the net is not accepted.
>>tammy
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><DIV>thanks for your email. I am sorry if i upset Lea, but i did not at any point accuse her of anything. Can we put this behind us now. I know there are people out there who have been stung by alternative therapies, i to have so thats nothing new. I was only voicing my opinion that was all. you are right, there seems no cure for endo, and my point about it stopping after periods, although that was probably not what i meant did not say that ENDO COMPLETELY STOPS. what i meant was that such medications as Depo provera stops the periods hence the endo stops forming as it NEEDS the period to form adhesions. this is what i have been told. I am also a firm believer in the fact that endo can be self managed if given the correct tools and you are again right people have their own opinions. Dont slate my website, it has taken me a while to put this together honestly. One thing i will say is everyone woman who posts here is seeking help of some sort. i only offer
> an alternative viewpoint and to be honest i am too busy right now putting my book together. thanks for your email and points noted. its just a shame that sometimes people get stuck in a rut and wont see an alternative but yes it is their personal choice. This seems to have been blown out of proportion and i am sorry for that. This matter is now finished with as far as i am concerned i dont have the time or energy for this. i note that everyone on the website has now seen me being chastised, and i do see it as that. I am sorry for upsetting anyone it was not my intention and i was only offering guidance. Thanks for the brief encounter i had with this site.</DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV>best wishes</DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><B><I>anonymous <anonymous@obgyn.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hello, Tammy.<BR><BR>I was going to stay out of the fray, but after consideration, I felt I<BR>must post on a few points.<BR><BR>Firstly, you seem to be new to the forum. Welcome.<BR><BR>Secondly, in fairness to the other poster who originally noted a message<BR>to you, I personally visited your website to see what all the drama was<BR>about. Truthfully, your website does not say that you offer your<BR>services for free, so to be honest, while the other poster may have been<BR>harsh, they were not that out of bounds for sharing an opinion about<BR>your services. That coupled with the facts that you advertise your<BR>pending book and also ask for financial support regarding your awareness<BR>team idea is probably what aggravated some people. You've clarified now<BR>that you are not doing it for a fee, so I'm sure that all is well in<BR>that area and we can move on. You have to
> remember, many of the women<BR>here have been burned by so called spiritual healing and other estoteric<BR>services, so perhaps they are on the defensive. That's all. Try to<BR>have a little understanding for the atmosphere here before you post<BR>things like that, as they may inflame others, whether their feelings<BR>about your posts are real or perceived.<BR><BR>Thirdly, Lea has been here far longer than you. She is an employee of<BR>the company that hosts this place, and therefore entitled to post<BR>anytime she'd like, particularly when she brings opposing experiences<BR>and/or viewpoints to posts like the soy thread. Simply because you<BR>don't like it, doesn't make it wrong - and the same goes for your<BR>posts...simply because someone else doesn't like what you say, doesn't<BR>necessarily make it wrong - it just means that this is a place for<BR>sharing. You do need to understand something, however -- there are far<BR>too many anonymous posters here to count. All post with
> the same<BR>address provided by the system - anonymous@obgyn.net That does<BR>NOT mean that they are all Lea, as you have accused her of doing. Her<BR>address is clearly visible in her posts, she is not anonymous and she<BR>did not attack you. Nor were her posts hurtful to you. You accuse<BR>others of being judgmental and what not, yet you are doing the same<BR>thing. MANY people here post anonymously, myself included - for many<BR>reasons. Maybe some of us don't want our medical history widely<BR>displayed on the internet, maybe some of us log in from work and can't<BR>have a trail, maybe some of us just want to protect our privacy, as is<BR>our right to do. Don't malign others for not putting all their business<BR>out here as you have done.<BR><BR>You also need to take stock in that while your approaches may work, they<BR>do not work for everyone and your way is not the only way. Please try<BR>to be a little more tolerable, and your experience here will be much<BR>more
> enjoyable.<BR><BR>Lastly, in several of your posts I've noticed you say that when the<BR>period stops, Endo stops. That's simply not true. If it were,<BR>pregnancy and menopause or hysterectomy would be cures, and they are<BR>not. Endo has been diagnosed in children before their first period, in<BR>80+ year old women and even a handful of men. There is no cure. While<BR>menopause may alleviate the symptoms in lots of folks, it is by no means<BR>going to necessarily stop the Endo as you've stated.<BR><BR>Again, welcome to the forum. I think you will find it an interesting<BR>place in which to share your thoughts with others, but remember, your<BR>way is not the only way, and answering every single post from every<BR>single woman, with the same exact answer, is not going to endear you to<BR>others here who have been struggling for many years.<BR><BR>Note that this message is not intended to be offensive, but rather a<BR>frank and truthful observation from someone who has been on the
> forum<BR>here for years and read the recent threads with interest. We are all<BR>allowed to share our thoughts - even those you don't agree with -<BR>without fear of reprisal; you included. From an outsider's view, I see<BR>someone writing in response to every single post with the same type of<BR>answer and then jumping up defensively when someone else responds in<BR>opposition. That's not the way this forum works.<BR><BR>I hope that you receive this note in the spirit in which it was<BR>intended. I'm not bashing you, as I'm sure you'll claim, but rather<BR>sharing my view of what's transpired here over the last couple days and<BR>providing ways in which perhaps we can all co-exist peacefully.<BR><BR>>>I just noted that the harsh email i received from anonymous@obgyn.net is actually part of the OBGYN team. Why is it she is allowed to post harsh emails with damaging comments. that is not at all professional. i thougt forums were monitored for this sort of thing. does
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