Re: I have much less pain.
From: pep (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Tue Feb 27 21:45:51 2001
Hello Yen and everybody,
>Pep, what exactly is the black currant oil supposed to do for us?
The oil is a good source of essential fatty acids which are essential
for rebuilding and producing new cells but cannot be made by the body.
EFAs improve skin and hair, lower cholesterol and triglyceride levels,
reduce the risk of blood clot formation etc.. by aiding in regulating
prostaglandin balance---from "Prescription for Nutritional Healing".
There are some other oils ( fish oil, flaxseed oil..) that have EFAs as
well.
>Have you noticed whether eating tuna or salmon flares your pain?
I occasionally have tuna and very little salmon and luckily I'm ok with
them. But I try not to eat large kinds of fish too often because larger
fishes contain more toxins ( Dioxin etc ) than smaller fishes. And
also, a lot of fish come from fish farm and I think you could guess what
they do to those fish there--just like cows..antibiotics, hormons, so
on. Where I live, we get very fresh fish from the sea except salmons
come from somewhere else. I've heard many salmons come from farms, but
I have also seen natural (non-farmed) salmons at stores.
>What about chocolate? Are you eating tofu and other soy products? No eggs, right ..
When I decided to change my diet and some other things in my life, my
endo pain was so severe that it really made me commit to be rather
strict. I decided to be strict for at least several months. And in 3
months, I was pain free but I intend to continue ( being strict ) for 3
more months and if I will have been pain free for 6 months then, maybe
I'll loosen up a little ( specially about diet )....Please don't get me
wrong, I do love to eat and I try not to get too nervous about food.
In any cases, what I have really been strict about for these 3 months
are caffeine, milk, dairy and white sugar ( like I said in my homepage,
I was not eating meat back then already ).
Yes, that includes chocolate and ice cream! Although there are organic
dairy stuff and soy or rice ice cream etc., I am not eating those either
at the moment. I sometimes use a little bit of turbinado sugar from
natural cane.
I actually use quite a bit of soy products-preferably organic- and
luckily
I am ok with them.
And I have maybe 2 eggs every 10 days or so and they are Natural eggs
from All-Natural grain-fed, free roaming ( cage free ) hens-no
pesticides or addtives.
Again, I am concentrating more on eliminating environmental toxins and
building more immune systems and it does end up toward eating-good type
diet..But I personally do not think good diet is enough to overcome
endometreosis - even just in order not to take in any more dioxin etc in
the body and to get rid of those toxins we already have - and that's why
I have been trying all those natural remedies and stopped using certain
things. I'm also wanting to write about endocrine (hormone) disrupters
melting into our food from plastic and styrofoam containers in my
homepage some time soon.
Sorry this message got kind of long..
Take care !
Sincerely,
Pep
At Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Yen wrote:
>
>Hi Pep and all,
> Pep, what exactly is the black currant oil supposed to do for us?
>Earlier today I had another question for you, but I've since forgotten
>what it was LOL!
>Have you noticed whether eating tuna or salmon flares your pain? What
>about chocolate? Are you eating tofu and other soy products? No eggs,
>right (I think eggs taste so yummy but the subsequent endo pain just
>isn't worth it) -- I've thought about trying the organic/hormone free
>eggs, haven't yet though.
>Take Care,
>Yen
>
>At Mon, 26 Feb 2001, pep wrote:
>>
>>Hi Yen and everybody,
>>
>>Thank you very much for responding so quickly, Yen,
>>and sorry I could not thank you earlier.
>>I updated about primrose oil on my homepage and I started taking black
>>currant oil instead of primrose.
>>
>>This month, I did not read the information very carefully and sort of
>>misused the natural progesterone cream
>>( I gave it rest for only 3 days instead of recommended 4-7 days ) and
>>ended up having my period twice in 2 weeks (!...)That made me very tired
>>but thankfully, I still did not have to have pain.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Pep
>>
>> At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Yen wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Pep and all,
>>>
>>>Pep, your comment re the high dioxin level in Japan as a possible
>>>culprit for the high rate of endo is interesting. From what I've read,
>>>you are correct re research supporting endo and dioxin correlation.
>>>The brand of Evening Primrose Oil which I used is "Your Life" trademark
>>>of Leiner Health Products Inc.
>>>Of course I do not mind if you share our conversations on your website
>>>:o).
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>> Yen
>>>
>>>At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, pep wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Yen and everybody,
>>>>
>>>>>Pep, would you share with me the website which notes the relationship between primrose oil and estrogen release?
>>>>I found the information in the book called Prescription for Nutritional
>>>>Healing -third edition.
>>>>
>>>>>thus I was confused that so many endo websites suggested primrose oil for our pain.
>>>>That may be because no one supposedly knows what causes endometreosis
>>>>although there are some thories. It is probably true that not much is
>>>>known about endo, but what I don't understand is that they still call
>>>>Dioxin one of the "theories" or even try not to talk about the
>>>>relationship between Dioxin and endo while in more than 4 books I've
>>>>read, said Dioxin has been proven to cause endometreosis - among those
>>>>poor monkeys who had been fed a very little amount of Dioxin, 86 % of
>>>>them developed endometreosis. ( ..I could suspect why some do not to
>>>>want to talk about it, but in here, I think it is too public to give my
>>>>opinion, so I'll try to write in my homepage later on.. )
>>>>
>>>>>From your website, I assume you are of japanese descent -- is this so?
>>>> Yes, I'm Japanese and I live in the US.
>>>>
>>>>>Through research, I've found that it is noted that japanese women have one of the highest rates of endo --
>>>>I have learned that average amount of Dioxin in the air of Japanese
>>>>urban areas is also the highests in the world -
>>>>a few years back, it was 10 times more than the average amount in the US
>>>>urban areas.( 1.02pg per cubic meter to 0.09 pg )
>>>>More in bigger cities also applies to the number of endo patients in
>>>>Japan.
>>>>About soy, Japanese people eat so much less soy now ( and eat more meat
>>>>and dairy ) than some decades ago while endo population keeps getting
>>>>bigger. Even after considering the factor that many women might not
>>>>have been diagnosed as endo back then, it seems fair to say that the
>>>>increasing number of the women with endo and the women who suffer from
>>>>those symptoms is overwhelming.
>>>>Fish that come from seas near Japan have very high levels of Dioxin and
>>>>Japanese do eat lots of fish.
>>>>
>>>>Well, I have a lot more to say about this subject but I should probably
>>>>quit for now.
>>>>
>>>>Yen, would you mind it if I put some of our conversation in my homepage?
>>>>I think there might be some people who could benefit from that..
>>>>And do you think you could tell me which primrose oil (what brand) you
>>>>have used? If you don't feel comfortable about writing the brand name
>>>>here, maybe you could e-mail me through my homepage or write it in my
>>>>guestbook?
>>>>
>>>>Thank you so much.
>>>>Sincerely
>>>>Pep
>>>>
>>>>At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Yen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Pep and all,
>>>>>Pep, would you share with me the website which notes the relationship
>>>>>between primrose oil and estrogen release? I had found at other websites
>>>>>that primrose oil is estrogenic -- thus I was confused that so many endo
>>>>>websites suggested primrose oil for our pain. I tried the primrose oil
>>>>>?maybe a year ago when I was playing with my diet to see what
>>>>>products/foods affected the pain -- the primrose oil definitely flared
>>>>>the pain.
>>>>>>From your website, I assume you are of japanese descent -- is this so?
>>>>>Through research, I've found that it is noted that japanese women have
>>>>>one of the highest rates of endo -- I wonder whether this is due to the
>>>>>high consumption of estrogenic products in the japanese diet, ie. soy,
>>>>>tofu, bean sprouts (and other "estrogenic" vegies)? What do you think re
>>>>>this possibility? Of course, endo is also prevalent in America and other
>>>>>countries as well.
>>>>>Take Care,
>>>>>Yen
>>>>>
>>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi, Yen
>>>>>>Thank you very much for visiting my homepage and also for
>>>>>>leaving your kind message in my guestbook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pep, are you on the bc pill or any type of "suppressive" medication?
>>>>>>No, I am not on any medication -except for natural progesterone cream
>>>>>>that I buy at health food stores.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>are you totally painfree? I can't take the Primrose Oil -- it flares my endo pain!
>>>>>> Actually, I have been painfree for the last couple of months.
>>>>>>I did a little research on Primrose Oil and found out that the oil
>>>>>>enhances the release of estrogen ( and testosterone ).
>>>>>>Maybe that's why it worsens your condition..?
>>>>>>The same source also says that women suffering from breast cancer that
>>>>>>is diagnosed as estrogen-receptor positive ( estrogen-related ) should
>>>>>>avoid or limit their intake of primrose oil and Black Currant oil is a
>>>>>>good substitute.
>>>>>>I did not know about this and since I suspect that I have too much PCB
>>>>>>and Dioxin ( and other stuff! ) acting like estrogen in my body and
>>>>>>giving me troubles, I think I am going to check out this Black Currant
>>>>>>oil instead, too.
>>>>>>- and I will also update my homepage as soon as possible.
>>>>>>I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to look for
>>>>>>these new findings.
>>>>>> Take care!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely
>>>>>> Pep
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Pep and all,
>>>>>>>Pep, are you on the bc pill or any type of "suppressive" medication? I
>>>>>>>visited your website :o). I agree with you re dietary changes & endo
>>>>>>>pain. I noticed, on your website, that you take Evening Primrose Oil --
>>>>>>>are you totally painfree? I can't take the Primrose Oil -- it flares my
>>>>>>>endo pain!
>>>>>>>Take Care,
>>>>>>>Yen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>I have been trying many different natural treatments and
>>>>>>>>now my pain is so much less than several months ago.
>>>>>>>>If you are interested, my story is at the address below.
>>>>>>>>No, I am not selling anything at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely
>>>>>>>>Pep
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/pepchun/p.html
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