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Re: I have much less pain.
From: Yen (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Mon Feb 26 22:29:00 2001
Hi Pep and all,
Pep, what exactly is the black currant oil supposed to do for us?
Earlier today I had another question for you, but I've since forgotten
what it was LOL!
Have you noticed whether eating tuna or salmon flares your pain? What
about chocolate? Are you eating tofu and other soy products? No eggs,
right (I think eggs taste so yummy but the subsequent endo pain just
isn't worth it) -- I've thought about trying the organic/hormone free
eggs, haven't yet though.
Take Care,
Yen
At Mon, 26 Feb 2001, pep wrote:
>
>Hi Yen and everybody,
>
>Thank you very much for responding so quickly, Yen,
>and sorry I could not thank you earlier.
>I updated about primrose oil on my homepage and I started taking black
>currant oil instead of primrose.
>
>This month, I did not read the information very carefully and sort of
>misused the natural progesterone cream
>( I gave it rest for only 3 days instead of recommended 4-7 days ) and
>ended up having my period twice in 2 weeks (!...)That made me very tired
>but thankfully, I still did not have to have pain.
>
>Sincerely,
>Pep
>
> At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Yen wrote:
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>>Hi Pep and all,
>>
>>Pep, your comment re the high dioxin level in Japan as a possible
>>culprit for the high rate of endo is interesting. From what I've read,
>>you are correct re research supporting endo and dioxin correlation.
>>The brand of Evening Primrose Oil which I used is "Your Life" trademark
>>of Leiner Health Products Inc.
>>Of course I do not mind if you share our conversations on your website
>>:o).
>>
>> Take Care,
>> Yen
>>
>>At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, pep wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Yen and everybody,
>>>
>>>>Pep, would you share with me the website which notes the relationship between primrose oil and estrogen release?
>>>I found the information in the book called Prescription for Nutritional
>>>Healing -third edition.
>>>
>>>>thus I was confused that so many endo websites suggested primrose oil for our pain.
>>>That may be because no one supposedly knows what causes endometreosis
>>>although there are some thories. It is probably true that not much is
>>>known about endo, but what I don't understand is that they still call
>>>Dioxin one of the "theories" or even try not to talk about the
>>>relationship between Dioxin and endo while in more than 4 books I've
>>>read, said Dioxin has been proven to cause endometreosis - among those
>>>poor monkeys who had been fed a very little amount of Dioxin, 86 % of
>>>them developed endometreosis. ( ..I could suspect why some do not to
>>>want to talk about it, but in here, I think it is too public to give my
>>>opinion, so I'll try to write in my homepage later on.. )
>>>
>>>>From your website, I assume you are of japanese descent -- is this so?
>>> Yes, I'm Japanese and I live in the US.
>>>
>>>>Through research, I've found that it is noted that japanese women have one of the highest rates of endo --
>>>I have learned that average amount of Dioxin in the air of Japanese
>>>urban areas is also the highests in the world -
>>>a few years back, it was 10 times more than the average amount in the US
>>>urban areas.( 1.02pg per cubic meter to 0.09 pg )
>>>More in bigger cities also applies to the number of endo patients in
>>>Japan.
>>>About soy, Japanese people eat so much less soy now ( and eat more meat
>>>and dairy ) than some decades ago while endo population keeps getting
>>>bigger. Even after considering the factor that many women might not
>>>have been diagnosed as endo back then, it seems fair to say that the
>>>increasing number of the women with endo and the women who suffer from
>>>those symptoms is overwhelming.
>>>Fish that come from seas near Japan have very high levels of Dioxin and
>>>Japanese do eat lots of fish.
>>>
>>>Well, I have a lot more to say about this subject but I should probably
>>>quit for now.
>>>
>>>Yen, would you mind it if I put some of our conversation in my homepage?
>>>I think there might be some people who could benefit from that..
>>>And do you think you could tell me which primrose oil (what brand) you
>>>have used? If you don't feel comfortable about writing the brand name
>>>here, maybe you could e-mail me through my homepage or write it in my
>>>guestbook?
>>>
>>>Thank you so much.
>>>Sincerely
>>>Pep
>>>
>>>At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Yen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Pep and all,
>>>>Pep, would you share with me the website which notes the relationship
>>>>between primrose oil and estrogen release? I had found at other websites
>>>>that primrose oil is estrogenic -- thus I was confused that so many endo
>>>>websites suggested primrose oil for our pain. I tried the primrose oil
>>>>?maybe a year ago when I was playing with my diet to see what
>>>>products/foods affected the pain -- the primrose oil definitely flared
>>>>the pain.
>>>>>From your website, I assume you are of japanese descent -- is this so?
>>>>Through research, I've found that it is noted that japanese women have
>>>>one of the highest rates of endo -- I wonder whether this is due to the
>>>>high consumption of estrogenic products in the japanese diet, ie. soy,
>>>>tofu, bean sprouts (and other "estrogenic" vegies)? What do you think re
>>>>this possibility? Of course, endo is also prevalent in America and other
>>>>countries as well.
>>>>Take Care,
>>>>Yen
>>>>
>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi, Yen
>>>>>Thank you very much for visiting my homepage and also for
>>>>>leaving your kind message in my guestbook.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Pep, are you on the bc pill or any type of "suppressive" medication?
>>>>>No, I am not on any medication -except for natural progesterone cream
>>>>>that I buy at health food stores.
>>>>>
>>>>>>are you totally painfree? I can't take the Primrose Oil -- it flares my endo pain!
>>>>> Actually, I have been painfree for the last couple of months.
>>>>>I did a little research on Primrose Oil and found out that the oil
>>>>>enhances the release of estrogen ( and testosterone ).
>>>>>Maybe that's why it worsens your condition..?
>>>>>The same source also says that women suffering from breast cancer that
>>>>>is diagnosed as estrogen-receptor positive ( estrogen-related ) should
>>>>>avoid or limit their intake of primrose oil and Black Currant oil is a
>>>>>good substitute.
>>>>>I did not know about this and since I suspect that I have too much PCB
>>>>>and Dioxin ( and other stuff! ) acting like estrogen in my body and
>>>>>giving me troubles, I think I am going to check out this Black Currant
>>>>>oil instead, too.
>>>>>- and I will also update my homepage as soon as possible.
>>>>>I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to look for
>>>>>these new findings.
>>>>> Take care!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely
>>>>> Pep
>>>>>
>>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Pep and all,
>>>>>>Pep, are you on the bc pill or any type of "suppressive" medication? I
>>>>>>visited your website :o). I agree with you re dietary changes & endo
>>>>>>pain. I noticed, on your website, that you take Evening Primrose Oil --
>>>>>>are you totally painfree? I can't take the Primrose Oil -- it flares my
>>>>>>endo pain!
>>>>>>Take Care,
>>>>>>Yen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>I have been trying many different natural treatments and
>>>>>>>now my pain is so much less than several months ago.
>>>>>>>If you are interested, my story is at the address below.
>>>>>>>No, I am not selling anything at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely
>>>>>>>Pep
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/pepchun/p.html
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