Re: I have much less pain.
From: pep (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Mon Feb 26 19:54:28 2001
Hi Yen and everybody,
Thank you very much for responding so quickly, Yen,
and sorry I could not thank you earlier.
I updated about primrose oil on my homepage and I started taking black
currant oil instead of primrose.
This month, I did not read the information very carefully and sort of
misused the natural progesterone cream
( I gave it rest for only 3 days instead of recommended 4-7 days ) and
ended up having my period twice in 2 weeks (!...)That made me very tired
but thankfully, I still did not have to have pain.
Sincerely,
Pep
At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Yen wrote:
>
>Hi Pep and all,
>
>Pep, your comment re the high dioxin level in Japan as a possible
>culprit for the high rate of endo is interesting. From what I've read,
>you are correct re research supporting endo and dioxin correlation.
>The brand of Evening Primrose Oil which I used is "Your Life" trademark
>of Leiner Health Products Inc.
>Of course I do not mind if you share our conversations on your website
>:o).
>
> Take Care,
> Yen
>
>At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, pep wrote:
>>
>>Hi Yen and everybody,
>>
>>>Pep, would you share with me the website which notes the relationship between primrose oil and estrogen release?
>>I found the information in the book called Prescription for Nutritional
>>Healing -third edition.
>>
>>>thus I was confused that so many endo websites suggested primrose oil for our pain.
>>That may be because no one supposedly knows what causes endometreosis
>>although there are some thories. It is probably true that not much is
>>known about endo, but what I don't understand is that they still call
>>Dioxin one of the "theories" or even try not to talk about the
>>relationship between Dioxin and endo while in more than 4 books I've
>>read, said Dioxin has been proven to cause endometreosis - among those
>>poor monkeys who had been fed a very little amount of Dioxin, 86 % of
>>them developed endometreosis. ( ..I could suspect why some do not to
>>want to talk about it, but in here, I think it is too public to give my
>>opinion, so I'll try to write in my homepage later on.. )
>>
>>>From your website, I assume you are of japanese descent -- is this so?
>> Yes, I'm Japanese and I live in the US.
>>
>>>Through research, I've found that it is noted that japanese women have one of the highest rates of endo --
>>I have learned that average amount of Dioxin in the air of Japanese
>>urban areas is also the highests in the world -
>>a few years back, it was 10 times more than the average amount in the US
>>urban areas.( 1.02pg per cubic meter to 0.09 pg )
>>More in bigger cities also applies to the number of endo patients in
>>Japan.
>>About soy, Japanese people eat so much less soy now ( and eat more meat
>>and dairy ) than some decades ago while endo population keeps getting
>>bigger. Even after considering the factor that many women might not
>>have been diagnosed as endo back then, it seems fair to say that the
>>increasing number of the women with endo and the women who suffer from
>>those symptoms is overwhelming.
>>Fish that come from seas near Japan have very high levels of Dioxin and
>>Japanese do eat lots of fish.
>>
>>Well, I have a lot more to say about this subject but I should probably
>>quit for now.
>>
>>Yen, would you mind it if I put some of our conversation in my homepage?
>>I think there might be some people who could benefit from that..
>>And do you think you could tell me which primrose oil (what brand) you
>>have used? If you don't feel comfortable about writing the brand name
>>here, maybe you could e-mail me through my homepage or write it in my
>>guestbook?
>>
>>Thank you so much.
>>Sincerely
>>Pep
>>
>>At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Yen wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Pep and all,
>>>Pep, would you share with me the website which notes the relationship
>>>between primrose oil and estrogen release? I had found at other websites
>>>that primrose oil is estrogenic -- thus I was confused that so many endo
>>>websites suggested primrose oil for our pain. I tried the primrose oil
>>>?maybe a year ago when I was playing with my diet to see what
>>>products/foods affected the pain -- the primrose oil definitely flared
>>>the pain.
>>>>From your website, I assume you are of japanese descent -- is this so?
>>>Through research, I've found that it is noted that japanese women have
>>>one of the highest rates of endo -- I wonder whether this is due to the
>>>high consumption of estrogenic products in the japanese diet, ie. soy,
>>>tofu, bean sprouts (and other "estrogenic" vegies)? What do you think re
>>>this possibility? Of course, endo is also prevalent in America and other
>>>countries as well.
>>>Take Care,
>>>Yen
>>>
>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi, Yen
>>>>Thank you very much for visiting my homepage and also for
>>>>leaving your kind message in my guestbook.
>>>>
>>>>>Pep, are you on the bc pill or any type of "suppressive" medication?
>>>>No, I am not on any medication -except for natural progesterone cream
>>>>that I buy at health food stores.
>>>>
>>>>>are you totally painfree? I can't take the Primrose Oil -- it flares my endo pain!
>>>> Actually, I have been painfree for the last couple of months.
>>>>I did a little research on Primrose Oil and found out that the oil
>>>>enhances the release of estrogen ( and testosterone ).
>>>>Maybe that's why it worsens your condition..?
>>>>The same source also says that women suffering from breast cancer that
>>>>is diagnosed as estrogen-receptor positive ( estrogen-related ) should
>>>>avoid or limit their intake of primrose oil and Black Currant oil is a
>>>>good substitute.
>>>>I did not know about this and since I suspect that I have too much PCB
>>>>and Dioxin ( and other stuff! ) acting like estrogen in my body and
>>>>giving me troubles, I think I am going to check out this Black Currant
>>>>oil instead, too.
>>>>- and I will also update my homepage as soon as possible.
>>>>I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to look for
>>>>these new findings.
>>>> Take care!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely
>>>> Pep
>>>>
>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Pep and all,
>>>>>Pep, are you on the bc pill or any type of "suppressive" medication? I
>>>>>visited your website :o). I agree with you re dietary changes & endo
>>>>>pain. I noticed, on your website, that you take Evening Primrose Oil --
>>>>>are you totally painfree? I can't take the Primrose Oil -- it flares my
>>>>>endo pain!
>>>>>Take Care,
>>>>>Yen
>>>>>
>>>>>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>I have been trying many different natural treatments and
>>>>>>now my pain is so much less than several months ago.
>>>>>>If you are interested, my story is at the address below.
>>>>>>No, I am not selling anything at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely
>>>>>>Pep
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/pepchun/p.html
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